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mikie |
Posted - 17 Oct 2013 : 10:58:55 Well met all! I have a question about the dragon slayer kit. I know it was in a Dragon Magazine. I believe it was in #205. Does anyone know the specs of this kit. Any information would be helpful. Thanks! |
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Ayrik |
Posted - 22 Oct 2013 : 23:53:18 I do agree, TMM, there is a difference between a professional and a dedicated kit. While your fire elementalist might do well enough vs a (not Red or Gold!) Dragon, a dragonslayer mage (who happens to prefer fire-based spells) might have special magical advantages useful to hunting and killing dragons. Perhaps he has special abilities which can better counter draconic magic, or perhaps he can bypass draconic spell resistance. He likely also has a good understanding of dragon tactics and psychology, he may even be appraised about which dead dragon bits make the best spell components and alchemical reagents. Conversely, he may be recognized (and hated) by dragonkind for what the blood he‘s spilled, and he might be blasted to cinders in a magical duel vs a combat-specialized fire mage.
Note that most of the really cool or special kits in 2E are generally unavailable to specialist subclasses ... they are assumed to already have a dedicated focus, almost a subclass of their own because it‘s difficult to master many unrelated paths, while more generalized classes (such as a basic mage) tend to have more open kit options.
And, as the texts repeat many times, one can always be a swashbuckler or pirate or champion of the faith of whatever without actually taking the relevant kit. The kits are meant to provide advantages, disadvantages, and focus which aren‘t strictly necessary. They also tend to be difficult to abandon - once a famous gladiator, soldier, barbarian, or scholar, always a famous ex-gladiator, ex-soldier, ex-barbarian, or ex-scholar, forever shaped by one‘s past. |
Barastir |
Posted - 22 Oct 2013 : 23:39:06 Thank you very much, Masked Mage! And as far as I've seen, the post 2e Draconomicons aren't similar to this version, but I think they have dragonslaying tips... |
The Masked Mage |
Posted - 22 Oct 2013 : 07:49:08 quote: Originally posted by Ayrik
Itms better than the usual fare - a party composed of a bewildering array of advanced specialists who tromp out towards the nearest module in the hopes of accomplishing something none of the characters knows a single thing about.
Why not a party or mercenary unit or assassins guild made entirely of dragonslayers?
I'd say there is a difference between profession and "kit"... a fire elementalist wizard who's business is slaying dragons is a fire elementalist, not a slayer mage - for example. |
Ayrik |
Posted - 21 Oct 2013 : 03:15:14 Itms better than the usual fare - a party composed of a bewildering array of advanced specialists who tromp out towards the nearest module in the hopes of accomplishing something none of the characters knows a single thing about.
Why not a party or mercenary unit or assassins guild made entirely of dragonslayers? |
mikie |
Posted - 21 Oct 2013 : 02:13:37 Now that would be a unique group! Imagine a whole group specializing in the art of killing dragons!
quote: Originally posted by Ayrik
The 2E Draconomicon didn‘t describe a dragonslayer kit, but it did contain an excellent treatise about the difficult arts of dragon hunting and dragon slaying. This information would be a fine resource for making and playing such a kit. There are also post-2E sourcebooks by the same name, but I‘m not sure if they‘re as applicable.
I‘d actually advise making this one of the any-class type kits, where each class obtains particular advantages suited to their role in an anti-dragon team.
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Ayrik |
Posted - 18 Oct 2013 : 22:45:22 The 2E Draconomicon didn‘t describe a dragonslayer kit, but it did contain an excellent treatise about the difficult arts of dragon hunting and dragon slaying. This information would be a fine resource for making and playing such a kit. There are also post-2E sourcebooks by the same name, but I‘m not sure if they‘re as applicable.
I‘d actually advise making this one of the any-class type kits, where each class obtains particular advantages suited to their role in an anti-dragon team. |
mikie |
Posted - 18 Oct 2013 : 20:37:23 Thanks for the info. Looks like more endless tome searching. LOL! quote: Originally posted by The Masked Mage
Ah... looks like I had the name incorrect. The kit was called "Dragon Lord" who had a spell "Dragon Mastery" - I was close at least. This was from Dragon Magazine 230, in an article coincidentally called Dragonslayers The Most Dangerous Game. The article also offers a variation on the dragon slayer kit as well.
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The Masked Mage |
Posted - 18 Oct 2013 : 18:30:44 Ah... looks like I had the name incorrect. The kit was called "Dragon Lord" who had a spell "Dragon Mastery" - I was close at least. This was from Dragon Magazine 230, in an article coincidentally called Dragonslayers The Most Dangerous Game. The article also offers a variation on the dragon slayer kit as well. |
The Masked Mage |
Posted - 18 Oct 2013 : 18:19:49 Lol - I'll look for it - and yes, my brain is almost entirely pre-3rd... I'm working on it but I'm set in my ways and slow to accept even small changes. You can imagine how fond I was of all of WOTCs revamps once they bought out TSR. |
Barastir |
Posted - 18 Oct 2013 : 17:59:14 quote: Originally posted by The Masked Mage ...or the dragon master (from a later dragon magazine ...)
Can you tell us from which number? Still a 2e reference?  |
The Masked Mage |
Posted - 18 Oct 2013 : 14:55:34 straight fighter, though I guess you could make it work with fighter mage if you used the slayer mage (from same source) or the dragon master (from a later dragon magazine - basically they have the ability to stare down a dragon the way Davy Crockett grinned down a bear) |
mikie |
Posted - 18 Oct 2013 : 11:09:02 Thank you for the information. Would this kit be a straight fighter kit or multi class? Fighter/mage?quote: Originally posted by The Masked Mage
The list of special attacks available to dragon slayers has been expanded in this article. Using the rules listed in the kit description, any of the new attack forms may be substituted for those in the boxed set. An additional option also exists if a slayer PC takes the new attack-form specialization. It costs one weapon proficiency slot to specialize in slayer attack forms, and it must be purchased by the time the slayer reaches 3rd level. (The PC can use the new slots gained upon reaching 3rd level to purchase the specialization.) Note the character#146;s Intelligence score can be used only to gain additional nonweapon proficiency slots, not weapon proficiency slots. With the slayer attack-form specialization, a dragon-slayer PC increases the number of special attacks he can learn, as well as the rate at which he can learn them. Instead of learning three special attacks over the course of a career at 1st, 4th and 7th level, a specialized slayer can learn five - #151;one each at 1st, 3rd, 5th, 7th and 9th level respectively.
Special attack forms In the dragon-slayer kit description in the boxed set, three special attack forms are described. These are wing attack, breath stun, and great blow. Other slayer attack forms include weapon throw, breach attack, double damage, dazzle, and dodge attack. All special attacks must be declared before any attack rolls are made by either side in a combat round. A dragon slayer can#146;t use special attacks two combat rounds in a row. For example, if Daress the dragon slayer uses a wing attack in the first round of combat, she can make no special attacks in the second round. If a slayer fails to hit after the attack form is declared, the special attack form is still considered to have been used in that combat round. In a round in which a slayer gets to make more than one attack, only certain forms can be used more than once. These are wing attack, breath stun, and double damage. All special attacks are effective only against dragons. They do not work against nondragon foes. Weapon throw allows a dragon slayer to toss his primary weapon at a flying dragon. A primary weapon is any weapon listed in the dragon-slayer kit description under weapon proficiencies that the slayer has spent slots on. Short range for thrown weapons is up to 15#146;, medium is up to 30#146;, and long range is up to 45#146;. Attack rolls are made with a -2, -4, and -6 penalty at short, medium, and long range respectively, since this is an unusual use of a heavy weapon. Damage is determined normally, and all Strength and damage bonuses are applied. No other special attack form can be used in combination with a weapon-throw attack.
Breach attack allows a slayer to search for a vulnerable spot in a dragon#146;s armor. The slayer must spend a full combat round without making any attacks as he searches for an opening. He must be facing a dragon#146;s underbelly, from the neck under its maw to its lower abdomen where its rear legs meet its body. The attack must be aimed at this region. In the round of searching, the slayer makes an Intelligence check to find the breach. A successful check gives the slayer a clear look at the spot, and the attack roll in the next round is made with a +6 bonus. If the check fails, the bonus is only +2. Attacks may be made against the slayer during the round of searching, and the slayer takes damage normally. Damage, however, will not hinder his breach attack unless he is knocked unconscious or killed.
Slayers with the double damage attack form can use it in combination with a breach attack.
Double damage allows a slayer to call on his knowledge of dragon physiology to inflict greater damage with a single attack. This attack form can be used alone or in combination with breach attack. When used with a successful attack roll, the slayer#146;s weapon inflicts double damage. No damage bonuses are doubled, just the base damage of the weapon type. However, damage bonuses are applied normally. For example, a slayer with a long sword would cause 2dl2 (instead of 1dl2) plus any damage bonuses.
Dazzle is an attack form designed to confuse a dragon and hinder its ability to cast spells or use its innate powers. The slayer twirls his weapon in such a way as to captivate and disorient his dragon foe. The twirling weapon disrupts the dragon#146;s concentration for the round, making it impossible to gather the merest thoughts necessary to activate a spell or innate power.
Dodge attack is a combination defense and attack form that a slayer can use to avoid damage and deliver his own deadly blow in the same round. A dodge attack requires a successful Dexterity check, otherwise none of the following benefits apply. If successful, the slayer#146;s armor class is improved by +4 for the round against a dragon#146;s physical attacks, and saving throws versus breath weapons receive a +2 bonus. In addition, after making the dodge the slayer puts himself in a better position to deliver his own attack. In the round, a slayer#146;s attack rolls receive a +2 bonus.
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The Masked Mage |
Posted - 17 Oct 2013 : 18:05:20 The article you mentioned also gave details of a "Slayer Mage" and a new MC Sheet for "undead dragon slayer." |
The Masked Mage |
Posted - 17 Oct 2013 : 18:03:58 The list of special attacks available to dragon slayers has been expanded in this article. Using the rules listed in the kit description, any of the new attack forms may be substituted for those in the boxed set. An additional option also exists if a slayer PC takes the new attack-form specialization. It costs one weapon proficiency slot to specialize in slayer attack forms, and it must be purchased by the time the slayer reaches 3rd level. (The PC can use the new slots gained upon reaching 3rd level to purchase the specialization.) Note the character#146;s Intelligence score can be used only to gain additional nonweapon proficiency slots, not weapon proficiency slots. With the slayer attack-form specialization, a dragon-slayer PC increases the number of special attacks he can learn, as well as the rate at which he can learn them. Instead of learning three special attacks over the course of a career at 1st, 4th and 7th level, a specialized slayer can learn five - #151;one each at 1st, 3rd, 5th, 7th and 9th level respectively.
Special attack forms In the dragon-slayer kit description in the boxed set, three special attack forms are described. These are wing attack, breath stun, and great blow. Other slayer attack forms include weapon throw, breach attack, double damage, dazzle, and dodge attack. All special attacks must be declared before any attack rolls are made by either side in a combat round. A dragon slayer can#146;t use special attacks two combat rounds in a row. For example, if Daress the dragon slayer uses a wing attack in the first round of combat, she can make no special attacks in the second round. If a slayer fails to hit after the attack form is declared, the special attack form is still considered to have been used in that combat round. In a round in which a slayer gets to make more than one attack, only certain forms can be used more than once. These are wing attack, breath stun, and double damage. All special attacks are effective only against dragons. They do not work against nondragon foes. Weapon throw allows a dragon slayer to toss his primary weapon at a flying dragon. A primary weapon is any weapon listed in the dragon-slayer kit description under weapon proficiencies that the slayer has spent slots on. Short range for thrown weapons is up to 15#146;, medium is up to 30#146;, and long range is up to 45#146;. Attack rolls are made with a -2, -4, and -6 penalty at short, medium, and long range respectively, since this is an unusual use of a heavy weapon. Damage is determined normally, and all Strength and damage bonuses are applied. No other special attack form can be used in combination with a weapon-throw attack.
Breach attack allows a slayer to search for a vulnerable spot in a dragon#146;s armor. The slayer must spend a full combat round without making any attacks as he searches for an opening. He must be facing a dragon#146;s underbelly, from the neck under its maw to its lower abdomen where its rear legs meet its body. The attack must be aimed at this region. In the round of searching, the slayer makes an Intelligence check to find the breach. A successful check gives the slayer a clear look at the spot, and the attack roll in the next round is made with a +6 bonus. If the check fails, the bonus is only +2. Attacks may be made against the slayer during the round of searching, and the slayer takes damage normally. Damage, however, will not hinder his breach attack unless he is knocked unconscious or killed.
Slayers with the double damage attack form can use it in combination with a breach attack.
Double damage allows a slayer to call on his knowledge of dragon physiology to inflict greater damage with a single attack. This attack form can be used alone or in combination with breach attack. When used with a successful attack roll, the slayer#146;s weapon inflicts double damage. No damage bonuses are doubled, just the base damage of the weapon type. However, damage bonuses are applied normally. For example, a slayer with a long sword would cause 2dl2 (instead of 1dl2) plus any damage bonuses.
Dazzle is an attack form designed to confuse a dragon and hinder its ability to cast spells or use its innate powers. The slayer twirls his weapon in such a way as to captivate and disorient his dragon foe. The twirling weapon disrupts the dragon#146;s concentration for the round, making it impossible to gather the merest thoughts necessary to activate a spell or innate power.
Dodge attack is a combination defense and attack form that a slayer can use to avoid damage and deliver his own deadly blow in the same round. A dodge attack requires a successful Dexterity check, otherwise none of the following benefits apply. If successful, the slayer#146;s armor class is improved by +4 for the round against a dragon#146;s physical attacks, and saving throws versus breath weapons receive a +2 bonus. In addition, after making the dodge the slayer puts himself in a better position to deliver his own attack. In the round, a slayer#146;s attack rolls receive a +2 bonus.
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The Masked Mage |
Posted - 17 Oct 2013 : 17:58:30 Yes it is 2nd Edition. Dragon Slayer was introduced in Council of Wyrms - a boxed set that created a format for Dragon PC campaigns and also introduced new rules for half-dragons, dragon slayers, and dragon allies. Dragon 205 expanded on the kit a little, adding attack forms. |
Bladewind |
Posted - 17 Oct 2013 : 16:21:31 Is that second edition? I vaguely remember a ranger or fighter kit with such a name. |
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