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| zhentar reborn |
Posted - 02 Feb 2004 : 15:31:21
When you look around the FR do you notice how many wizards there are that are hundreds of years old? How do they accomplish this? What do they sacrifice to gain near immortallity? Don't these ancient wizards live outside the natural order of things?
Take the Lich, who sacrifices his/her mortal life for the chance to continue the study of magic while undead. I don't have a problem fitting a 700 year old lich arch-mage into a game. Because the lich, for all of its magical power, has identifiable weaknesses that characters can use to their advantage. Again, what do these ever-living mages sacrifice? What are their weaknesses?
At the very LEAST, I think they should be labeled as outsiders. Any thoughts out there?
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| The Sage |
Posted - 02 Mar 2004 : 12:58:01
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Originally posted by Cardinal Deimos
Is there such a thing as Lichdom for clerics and Druids? We know the arcane spellcasters get lichdom, and elves have their version of a lich (Bael???? we simply can't remember the name at this point in time). But isn't it time that the divine spellcastersget their own immortality... after all if your god dies (time of troubles) wouldn't one rather not face the one who killed them?
I know of no Lichdom status for Druids, although the Ravenloft setting offers an interesting alternative. Druids, who have been corrupted by 'Sinkholes of Evil' can merge with undead Treants, who also thrive in these areas. This merging endows the Druid with certain abilities, some of which are similar to a low-level lich. However, the Druid is always tied to the undead Treant, and therefore cannot move more than 100ft away from the undead Treant before the Druid loses access to these special abilities.
I can go on, but as always we must watch for the wrath of Alaundo...
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| Zacas |
Posted - 02 Mar 2004 : 07:00:49
::hmms softly and grins to himself at the half-month run of off-topicness occurs...::
Hmm... it appears that those that are 'ever-living' are also inflicted with the curse of noticing things very late...
::He grins at Alaundo... then quickly ducks his head and dives behind a couch to avoid swatting:: |
| Graxx Shadowstone |
Posted - 01 Mar 2004 : 22:18:09
That'd be the Baelnorn, lad. |
| The Cardinal |
Posted - 01 Mar 2004 : 21:36:14
Is there such a thing as Lichdom for clerics and Druids? We know the arcane spellcasters get lichdom, and elves have their version of a lich (Bael???? we simply can't remember the name at this point in time). But isn't it time that the divine spellcastersget their own immortality... after all if your god dies (time of troubles) wouldn't one rather not face the one who killed them? |
| Bookwyrm |
Posted - 01 Mar 2004 : 16:50:41
Yes, Master Alaundo. ::goes back to working on Jack Archer of Earth.:: |
| Alaundo |
Posted - 01 Mar 2004 : 08:59:02
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Originally posted by Bookwyrm
What about you, Alaundo? You've lasted a long time in the Realms -- what's your secret? Plenty of exercise and a heathy diet? Or just having lots of scribes around to order about? 
Well met
Well the downright cheek of some Scribes today! 
Alas, my fingers are almost down to bone, so you get back to your studies, Bookwyrm, and help this poor, aged, old Scribe out, eh!  |
| Bookwyrm |
Posted - 01 Mar 2004 : 05:40:44
What about you, Alaundo? You've lasted a long time in the Realms -- what's your secret? Plenty of exercise and a heathy diet? Or just having lots of scribes around to order about? |
| Alaundo |
Posted - 29 Feb 2004 : 12:23:49
quote:
Originally posted by Lina
New and Improved Staff Alaundo??? I didn't think all these newbies were giving you this much trouble. Well if you need any help you can always rely on Dragon Slayer Lina to back you up, for a price that is.
Well met
Better to be safe than sorry, Lina
Ahem, now.... about the "Ever-living", or shall I seal up this scroll?! |
| The Cardinal |
Posted - 29 Feb 2004 : 05:10:15
Actually it's 'Dragon Spooker', our dear resident dragon... The title means: "Dragons step past out of clear revulsion" |
| Bookwyrm |
Posted - 29 Feb 2004 : 04:20:18
What's this? "Dragon Slayer"!!?
No one I know, I trust . . . . |
| The Cardinal |
Posted - 29 Feb 2004 : 03:10:32
Lina we thought is it went " Bandit killer and dragon spooker"? |
| Shadowlord |
Posted - 29 Feb 2004 : 03:02:44
Dragon Slayer? What, a wyrmling? |
| Lina |
Posted - 29 Feb 2004 : 02:01:38
New and Improved Staff Alaundo??? I didn't think all these newbies were giving you this much trouble. Well if you need any help you can always rely on Dragon Slayer Lina to back you up, for a price that is. |
| Zacas |
Posted - 21 Feb 2004 : 18:17:02
::Hmms to himself, waiting til everyone looks away, then he pulls out his 'borrowed' Staff of the Irritated Moderator +5 and whacks all the 'idea-givers' up-side the back of their heads to knock them unconcious... then quickly hides the staff in his TrenchCloak.:: Soo... Alaundo... where is this new Staff of yours... i'd like to us... um *cough* see the new and improved staff... |
| Bookwyrm |
Posted - 20 Feb 2004 : 17:09:15
Quick! Someone cast silence! 
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| Shadowlord |
Posted - 19 Feb 2004 : 02:32:10
You know, Bookwyrm, if you keep giving him ideas, what's to stop him from placing magical shackles upon us that only allow us to work on tomes! Quiet yourself, dragon! Dah, now you've got ME giving him ideas! |
| Bookwyrm |
Posted - 16 Feb 2004 : 16:36:09
I believe it was this post, my dear Sage. 
And you can make an epic staff with an enhancement of up to +10. Even if Alaundo doesn't have Craft Epic Armor and Weapons, perhaps he's adding something like a shocking burst feature, to use as a cattle prod or --
 Maybe I shouldn't have said that . . . . |
| Lina |
Posted - 15 Feb 2004 : 03:54:13
Thanks for clearing that up Sage. I didn't realise that the Astral Plane is timeless.
This is the first time I've heard more details about the Staff of the Irritated Moderator. Say Alaundo, about these affects that the staff has on it's victims... does it cause any brain damage? I've whacked on the noggin with it once or twice and I have been rather forgetfull lately. |
| The Sage |
Posted - 14 Feb 2004 : 12:48:58
::...snicker...:: You know, who would have thought that the first time I mentioned a 'Staff of the Irritated Moderator', that it would carry on, and start to generate a life all it's own...
It was so long ago now, that I can't even remember which scroll I first spoke of it in...
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| Alaundo |
Posted - 14 Feb 2004 : 10:14:59
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Originally posted by The Sage
Beyond +5!......I do not think such a thing is actually possible. Unless he intends it to be a minor artifact...
Well met
Ohhhhhhh yes indeed, my dear Sage The true powers of the Staff of the Irritated Moderator has yet to be unleashed!
Thou best behave....LEST YOU FEEL MY WRATH!! MMMWWWUUAHHHAHHH ::cough, splutter, wheeze:: |
| The Cardinal |
Posted - 14 Feb 2004 : 08:51:21
Indeed, I think he plans too... It would make some sense... of Course US, in our great wisdom have created the Protection from Moderator Spell.. true it only has a 5% chance of success, and 80% of spell failure and the need for much pleading, begging and unbashful grovelling and snivelling, we feel any protection is better than none...althoug not by much .... We do not recommend annoying Alaundo as it would preven even half of said topic: Living.... and forget Ever-Living.. See a rather simple spell now so see if it worked... we hold our breath till we pass out |
| The Sage |
Posted - 14 Feb 2004 : 08:45:37
Beyond +5!......I do not think such a thing is actually possible. Unless he intends it to be a minor artifact...
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| The Cardinal |
Posted - 14 Feb 2004 : 08:42:04
We feel you must be warned though Sage... Alaundo has thought of upgrading his Staff of Irritated moderator AGAIN... From what he had suggested it go to... it would not be pretty... |
| The Sage |
Posted - 14 Feb 2004 : 08:38:38
Yes, you are so very right Cardinal...I do indeed miss that old Sage ...Perhaps another casting of the spells Polymorph Self, and Attitude Return are needed...
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| The Cardinal |
Posted - 14 Feb 2004 : 08:28:45
We never pictured you as one to play it 'SAFE' when it comes to the planes... Tsk, Tsk, Tsk. Where is the Sage That I so Idolized as he threw caution to the wind and talked on NON-REALMS things in the very presence of Alaundo... (Note to the Scibes: While that Masters of Realms lore may be immune somewhat to Alaundo's wrath, only temporarily... we lowly scribes are not. Never Tempt Alaundo, that should only be done by trained professionals.) Back onto track though. Besides, We've (and I do mean WE) posted enough on the Far Realms to allow some to get the just of it. One need only search... "Knock and the door shall be opened Unto you".... |
| The Sage |
Posted - 14 Feb 2004 : 08:13:39
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Originally posted by Cardinal Deimos
Actually Sage, we cannot believe that You forgot to mention our favorite Plane from the timeless mentions. The Far Realms of course. They are seen as beyond time... ( whether that is truely timeless depends...) But as Lina put it (and as much as we hate to agree ) Tis not aging that kills but cellular degradation... Thus if cells are frevented from degrading one could live for a verylong time... although we have heard of a crown (discarded by old Suazz Tam) that allow one to live forever for it keeps the heart beating eternally... of course... Suazz Tam was already a lich by this time so....
I was playing it 'SAFE' in terms of what other scribes know of the planes. A number of sourcebooks (outside WotC products) do not make mention of the chaotic realm we know as the Far Realm, so I thought it would be best to just mentioned the one plane that everybody would be familiar with when it comes to the 'Timeless' trait.
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| The Cardinal |
Posted - 14 Feb 2004 : 08:07:42
Actually Sage, we cannot believe that You forgot to mention our favorite Plane from the timeless mentions. The Far Realms of course. They are seen as beyond time... ( whether that is truely timeless depends...) But as Lina put it (and as much as we hate to agree) Tis not aging that kills but cellular degradation... Thus if cells are frevented from degrading one could live for a verylong time... although we have heard of a crown (discarded by old Suazz Tam) that allow one to live forever for it keeps the heart beating eternally... of course... Suazz Tam was already a lich by this time so.... |
| The Sage |
Posted - 14 Feb 2004 : 07:20:03
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Originally posted by Lina
quote:
Originally posted by DDH_101
Lina, I believe you are talking about the relativity of time. However, I don't know if there are actually any planes that is like that though...
Time has everything to do with ageing. If time was to stop then we'd all live forever. There are planes that exist in a different time spans. Take for example Drizzt's cat, Gwenhwyvar. In the Legacy of the Drow there are countless passages that mention that after being mortally wounded, Gwen goes back to the Astral Plane for about a week then comes back to the physical realm fully recovered. But Gwen being magical does mean that she heals faster when back home. But it was mentioned that Regis was taken by Gwen to the Astral plane when he was near death and was saved. I don't know all the details there so I'll get back to you on that later.
The Astral Plane is Timeless, meaning that age, hunger, thirst, poison effects, and natural healing do not function there. The MotP 3e, as well as the 3.5 DMG has the details on the Astral Plane, and it's associated traits and effects upon PCs and the like.
Those effects I mentioned above will only start affecting the character once he/she has left the Astral Plane, and has either returned to the Material Plane, or another plane that does not have a 'Timeless' trait.
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| Lina |
Posted - 14 Feb 2004 : 03:32:26
quote:
Originally posted by DDH_101
Lina, I believe you are talking about the relativity of time. However, I don't know if there are actually any planes that is like that though...
Time has everything to do with ageing. If time was to stop then we'd all live forever. There are planes that exist in a different time spans. Take for example Drizzt's cat, Gwenhwyvar. In the Legacy of the Drow there are countless passages that mention that after being mortally wounded, Gwen goes back to the Astral Plane for about a week then comes back to the physical realm fully recovered. But Gwen being magical does mean that she heals faster when back home. But it was mentioned that Regis was taken by Gwen to the Astral plane when he was near death and was saved. I don't know all the details there so I'll get back to you on that later. |
| The Sage |
Posted - 11 Feb 2004 : 12:00:09
quote:
Originally posted by DDH_101
I have a question about ways of living forever. Are there any items or artifacts in FR that could make a person immortal? I'm not sure but I think the Ring of Winter and the Crown of Horns make the wearer immortal...
Oh, now you be careful with those items . There's a lot that can go wrong, especially with the 'Crown of Horns' that can make a PC less (in terms of being) than he was before he starting wearing the Crown. In my opinion, the limited advantages (what few there are) you gaining from using these items does not outweigh the negative effects a character 'will' be subjected to.
If your PC wants to live forever, try the Astral Plane...
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