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| silverwolfer |
Posted - 07 Jul 2013 : 20:04:54
I want a day, that I can read a book that has nothing to do with human's,elves ,dwarves,halflings ,(maybe gnomes they get no love in published works other then guest stars), half orcs or orcs.
I want a time that we view one of the monster races, Ogres, Trolls, even if we have to have good aligned, then fire giants and sky titans.
Give me something meaty to read from a point of view that is not myself in a magical super hero, or a plate of steel, but rather a view of the nightmares I fear and make them something that breaths and lives and has daily activities outside of killing the 4 races. |
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| Dennis |
Posted - 05 Sep 2013 : 15:19:57
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Originally posted by Gyor
Rage of the Dragons trilogy is good too, it.features a.half. golem half human, but also.a bunch of other creatures likw a Smoke Drake, Averiel (winged elves), a Song Dragon, a Copper Dragon and so on.
Add to that list a halfling, an arctic dwarf, dracoliches, massive land wyrms, all metallic dragons, and some fiends (forgot what they are called [those controlled by Iyraclea]). |
| Drustan Dwnhaedan |
Posted - 05 Sep 2013 : 06:42:21
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by Drustan Dwnhaedan
I'd really like to see a novel about the saurials (whatever happened to them anyway ).
4E doesn't really address that... But thru some unspecified means, the Shades managed to find the Lost Vale, despite the fact that no one else -- including a Banelich flying directly overhead and actively searching for it -- had managed to do that. So one could assume that the saurials were wiped out or sent home.
Yeah, I figured that was probably what happened, but I had to ask (after all, how would I know one way or the other if I didn't ask?). |
| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 05 Sep 2013 : 06:21:57
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Originally posted by Drustan Dwnhaedan
I'd really like to see a novel about the saurials (whatever happened to them anyway).
4E doesn't really address that... But thru some unspecified means, the Shades managed to find the Lost Vale, despite the fact that no one else -- including a Banelich flying directly overhead and actively searching for it -- had managed to do that. So one could assume that the saurials were wiped out or sent home. |
| Drustan Dwnhaedan |
Posted - 05 Sep 2013 : 06:03:40
I'd really like to see a novel about the saurials (whatever happened to them anyway). |
| Lilianviaten |
Posted - 03 Sep 2013 : 06:12:38
I would recommend the Empyrean Odyssey trilogy. Lots of planar creatures, and very little involvement of humans. Also, read the House of Serpents trilogy. All the major players are yuanti, and there is a long trip to the Abyss. A human is the main character, but he's outnumbered by the yuanti. It's also one of the best trilogies ever published in FR.
The Erevis Cale books are excellent, and while Erevis used to be a human, he's a shade for most of the novels. Lots of unusual creatures are involved in the "Erevis Cale Trilogy". Slaadi, gith, dragons, etc. I haven't read them, but I would imagine that the Abolethic Sovereignty books don't involve many core races either.
You won't find any FR books that completely exclude the core races, but there are many where the core races don't dominate the story. Finally, consider the Last Mythal trilogy. It's about the Fey'ri (who are only half elven). And some really enjoyable fiends participate. |
| Gyor |
Posted - 03 Sep 2013 : 00:40:31
Rage of the Dragons trilogy is good too, it.features a.half. golem half human, but also.a bunch of other creatures likw a Smoke Drake, Averiel (winged elves), a Song Dragon, a Copper Dragon and so on. |
| Sightless |
Posted - 10 Jul 2013 : 17:32:08
I once wrote a story about a warren of giants and goblins up near the great glacier , who have to survive against organized monster hunters. The only problem is, the only place that I know of where I can post the thing, at least in teory, is Fan Fiction. net, which I can't access. This leads to the question, can you post stories here somewhere? I mean, not on the boards, but somewhere eles? I've heard thee's a section called travelers notebooks, or something, haven't yet found it myself, but I've heard it exists, perhaps you can post stuff like that there. Don't know, anyhow, I'm probably rambling and so carry on. |
| KacyCrawford |
Posted - 09 Jul 2013 : 17:03:43
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Originally posted by Entromancer
I think the closest you'll get are the Bareris chapters in Unholy, or the sections on dragonborn/genasi in the first three Brotherhood of the Griffin novels, or maybe The Orc King.
Agree to your comments |
| KacyCrawford |
Posted - 09 Jul 2013 : 16:58:35
Some of the 2E-era racial splatbooks - particularly the Draconomicon and Monster Mythology - presented writings with a nonhuman-species focus. |
| Dennis |
Posted - 09 Jul 2013 : 15:38:15
Oh, I forgot, you may also like Frostfell. Many of the characters are lythari. And there are some other nasty creatures as well that I rather not say as it is a major spoiler. |
| Thauranil |
Posted - 09 Jul 2013 : 15:18:22
Try out the Chosen Of Nendawen series. Though the main character is mostly human, the book focuses more on her Lythari heritage. |
| Markustay |
Posted - 09 Jul 2013 : 15:01:51
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Originally posted by Dennis
Have you read the first three books in Richard’s Brotherhood of the Griffon series? There are humans, understandably, as the Brotherhood are predominantly humans. But more than half of the series itself deals with dragonborn (to my horror), genasi, and ash giants. Accent, mine
I read the 'h' in Ash as another 's' when I first read it... and then I pictured a 20' tall Kim Kardashian. 
"My god, its horrible! And for some reason, I just can't look away..." |
| Artemas Entreri |
Posted - 09 Jul 2013 : 03:41:47
Check out the Twilight Giants trilogy by Troy Denning. |
| scererar |
Posted - 09 Jul 2013 : 03:09:45
+1 on the twilight of the giants trilogy. Not the best out there, but may meet what the OP is asking for
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Originally posted by jordanz
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Originally posted by silverwolfer
I want a day, that I can read a book that has nothing to do with human's,elves ,dwarves,halflings ,(maybe gnomes they get no love in published works other then guest stars), half orcs or orcs.
I want a time that we view one of the monster races, Ogres, Trolls, even if we have to have good aligned, then fire giants and sky titans.
Give me something meaty to read from a point of view that is not myself in a magical super hero, or a plate of steel, but rather a view of the nightmares I fear and make them something that breaths and lives and has daily activities outside of killing the 4 races.
Check out Troy Denning's "A Giant Among us" trilogy.
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| TBeholder |
Posted - 09 Jul 2013 : 02:05:50
So... the prequel Trilogy from Drizzt series?  |
| Eilserus |
Posted - 08 Jul 2013 : 18:41:52
Could also check out Brimstone Angels by Erin Evans. There's a second one called Brimstone Angels: Lesser Evils too. Has a pair of tieflings and a dragonborn in it. Good reads. :) |
| Lord Bane |
Posted - 08 Jul 2013 : 17:29:39
Not to mention that they may be mistaken for a hin if on the short end or a dwarf if they are rather obese and have a beard, given there are communities who may have never seen other intelligent races and may only go by hear say and describings of travelers who come by. |
| The Sage |
Posted - 08 Jul 2013 : 15:51:36
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Originally posted by silverwolfer
So basicly, yes they live, but they don't care what others do.
And they tend to get overlooked in the fiction as well -- with very few examples of prominent gnomish Realms characters taking leading roles in any novels published. |
| Dennis |
Posted - 08 Jul 2013 : 14:41:26
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Originally posted by Entromancer
I think the closest you'll get are the Bareris chapters in Unholy.
Bareris? He was human. A human undead, to be exact.
There is one obvious reason why humans take the center stage in most books: they are the type of characters most readers can easily identify themselves with or relate to. Besides, at times, the “monster” in a human’s heart dwarfs even the vilest of monsters. |
| Dennis |
Posted - 08 Jul 2013 : 14:34:41
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Originally posted by jordanz
Check out Troy Denning's "A Giant Among us" trilogy.
I believe you meant The Twilight Giants trilogy. The Giant Among Us is the second book in that series. |
| Dennis |
Posted - 08 Jul 2013 : 14:28:06
Have you read the first three books in Richard’s Brotherhood of the Griffon series? There are humans, understandably, as the Brotherhood are predominantly humans. But more than half of the series itself deals with dragonborn (to my horror), genasi, and ash giants. |
| Markustay |
Posted - 08 Jul 2013 : 14:16:17
I think of it as a 'fey thing'. They are there, all around us... and yet for some reason you don't really notice them (unless they want you to).
I had an organization called G.N.O.M.E. in my Forgotten Realms awhile back, but I can't even remember what it stood for. They were 'evil', but a more subtle evil; they slowly infiltrated other cultures, making themselves useful on many levels, and then began a surreptitious 'draining' of the local economy, thus causing the collapse of several of Faerûn's civilizations over the course of time.
Now I use Golarion's (PF) gnomes, so I've thrown all of that out. |
| sfdragon |
Posted - 08 Jul 2013 : 08:10:12
the gnomes are the most evil race in the realms. Atleast teh elves you know will shake your hand with one and shank you with the other....( according to some) and the drow will kill you dead, and the humans vying for power. Nobody ever thinks of the gnomes and how evil they are..... |
| silverwolfer |
Posted - 08 Jul 2013 : 05:55:42
So basicly, yes they live, but they don't care what others do. |
| The Sage |
Posted - 08 Jul 2013 : 05:16:14
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Originally posted by silverwolfer
why are the gnomes so forgotten ?
From the Ol' Grey Box [Cyclopedia of the Realms pg. 46]:-
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The Gnomes are called the Forgotten Folk of the Forgotten Realms, for despite the fact they seem an everyday sight in major cities, and have goodsized communities of their own, they seem unbothered by the world and similarly only rarely become involved with it.
It's an aspect of their race that's been perpetuated since the earliest days of the published Realms. |
| jordanz |
Posted - 08 Jul 2013 : 03:53:50
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Originally posted by silverwolfer
I want a day, that I can read a book that has nothing to do with human's,elves ,dwarves,halflings ,(maybe gnomes they get no love in published works other then guest stars), half orcs or orcs.
I want a time that we view one of the monster races, Ogres, Trolls, even if we have to have good aligned, then fire giants and sky titans.
Give me something meaty to read from a point of view that is not myself in a magical super hero, or a plate of steel, but rather a view of the nightmares I fear and make them something that breaths and lives and has daily activities outside of killing the 4 races.
Check out Troy Denning's "A Giant Among us" trilogy. |
| silverwolfer |
Posted - 08 Jul 2013 : 03:22:03
why are the gnomes so forgotten ? |
| The Sage |
Posted - 08 Jul 2013 : 03:15:21
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Originally posted by Ayrik
A Dragonlance trilogy was written almost exclusively about Krynn minotaurs, although they did interact with some mainstream races - and to be honest, I didn't feel it was all that engaging nor was it very well-written.
Yet, I was of an opposite mind. Knaak's "Minotaur" trilogy was a refreshing change from the human and elven stories/trilogies which had dominated the DL product releases for some time.
And it helped that the books focused on minotaurs, which are one of my favourite fantasy races. So maybe I'm a little biased.
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Personally, I'd be happy with more books about dwarves, ....
And gnomes. As I've long said, I know they're "the forgotten folk" of the Realms, but that shouldn't also mean forgotten in terms of the fiction supporting the setting as well. |
| Tyrant |
Posted - 08 Jul 2013 : 03:06:00
Sandstorm has a primarily non core cast. I would have to check but I don't believe there were many core races present at all. The main character is a Genasi that is liberated by a Kenku and the villains are another Genasi and a Djinn.
The Chosen of Nendawen series has a number of non human characters, primarily Hobgoblins and a couple of Goblins, though the main character is human (with a touch of something else). The elf is one of the ones that can shape shift into a wolf (can't recall the name off hand) so at least he is a rare elf.
The two Brimstone Angels books star a pair of Tiefling twin sisters. Their adopted father is a Dragonborn and one of them has the hots for a Cambion. The two books also feature some noteable screen time for Glasya and Asmodeus and you don't get much more inhuman than that. There are humans, but the Tieflings are the stars of the show. |
| Chosen of Asmodeus |
Posted - 08 Jul 2013 : 01:34:29
Sword of the Gods follows a deva protagonist with a primarily genasi supporting cast(with a token human, admittedly). I'm given to understand the sequel(which I haven't gotten the chance to read yet) drops the human and focuses on the deva and genasi. |
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