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| jerrod |
Posted - 27 May 2012 : 03:56:57
It has occurred to me that matron Kyorl oblodra was never slain by beanre. Only banished to the abyssal layer of errtu. Perhaps we may one day see her again! After all..I've played a drow psionist who was several leveled weaker than her in the abyss..and he survived and returned to menzoberranzan. What do you think? I think she was one of the most powerful matrons of menzoberranzan and a true revolutionary! |
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| Kris the Grey |
Posted - 18 Jul 2013 : 04:02:11
That's what they tell me...ba dum dum (or, if you prefer, http://instantrimshot.com).
Anyway, enough about my day job, I'm much more interested in talking about people who want to kick psionic drow butt. Lol.
Oh, and Beast, I went live with our short story snippet detailing a tiny bit of my group's Blingdenstone adventure in the other tread. Go take a peek and let me know what you think...
(http://forum.candlekeep.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=16788&whichpage=2) |
| Alystra Illianniis |
Posted - 18 Jul 2013 : 02:24:53
LOL! Bet you're a real "wizard" in the courtroom, Kris! |
| Kris the Grey |
Posted - 17 Jul 2013 : 23:13:40
Lightsabers are for the weak. There is nothing a little force lightning won't fix (and, if there were, force choke would). |
| BEAST |
Posted - 17 Jul 2013 : 22:19:02
Do you have to check your light sabre at the front security station? Or do Bar members get a pass? |
| Kris the Grey |
Posted - 17 Jul 2013 : 22:13:30
Beast,
I'd say it is more like, "No your honor, these are not the defendant's you are looking for" but yes, I'd say the skill sets are definitely related. Lol. |
| BEAST |
Posted - 17 Jul 2013 : 21:12:00
quote:
Originally posted by Kris the Grey
Kris the Grey - Member in Good Standing of the Watchful Order of Magists and Protectors, the Arcane Guild of Silverymoon, and the Connecticut Bar Association
So, IOW, is what you're saying that, practicing law in CT is just a bunch of hocus-pocus? 
I can see it now:
quote:
JUDGE: Counselor, you may begin your opening argument.
KTG: Thank you, Your Honor. I've been memorizing this latest scroll for tendays.
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| Kris the Grey |
Posted - 17 Jul 2013 : 17:13:05
Lilianviaten,
Kimmuriel isn't as invincible as some might think.
Sure, psionics are impressive, but especially in the later editions (3E/4E/Pathfinder) the 'class balance' imperative renders him just as mortal and vulnerable as any high level member of any other class. I say this after having had to build him for use as a 'big bad' in my recent 'The Fall of Blingdenstone circa 1371' adventure (described on another thread). His real weakness is that the vast majority of his powers are of the mind control/telepathic bent. If you get an item/spell/other way of defending your mind long enough to grapple with him he's not impossible to best. (Add to that the fact that in 3E/Pathfinder anti-magic fields work to suppression psionic as well as magical effects and...).
If you are running 1E or 2E he's a bit more problematic to tackle. Even then though, he's not unbeatable. The key (just as is the case with Dragons and Vampires, Lol) is proper preparation. If you know exactly what to expect before you enter the fight you can come out alive on the other end of it. |
| Lilianviaten |
Posted - 17 Jul 2013 : 06:10:54
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Originally posted by Seravin
I don't right off recall anywhere that mentioned details of Kimmuriel's relationship to K'yorl (whether they were on good terms or close at all), but it probably wasn't the best given that Kimmuriel is a male child. He doesn't seem any more cruel or harsh than other Drow, and arguably a bit less so. I hope Kimmuriel gets a bit more facetime in the next RAS book, he's an awesome character (though I'm pleased he hasn't been killed off yet).
In Servant of the Shard, Kimmuriel reflects on how Jarlaxle rescued him both from the destruction of his house, and even earlier, from the cruelty of his sisters. Being that the matron reigns supreme, I doubt they treated him so viciously without her permission. And I can only imagine what sort of tortures a house full of psions can inflict.
I still want Entreri to kill him though! Admittedly, I can't think of any scenario where that would happen. Enteri seems to be as helpless against Kimmuriel as he was against Grandmaster Kane. |
| Lilianviaten |
Posted - 17 Jul 2013 : 06:06:22
quote:
Originally posted by Kris the Grey
To be colloquial in my assessment, Kimmuriel is a DICK. Anyone doubting that should go back and read/re-read Servant of the Shard - he's racist, cruel, and tortuous in the same fashion as any evil drow. Just because he isn't as personally ambitious as some (and ultimately sees Jarlaxle as a better choice for commander of B'DA than him) doesn't mean he isn't evil with a capital 'E'.
Indeed. Servant of the Shard says something to the effect of "Even taking into account the high drow standards for torture and murder, these 2 were masters of the craft" (referring to Kimmuriel and Rai-Guy). Enteri also said those 2 were the most racist members of Bregan D'aerthe.
I always thought it odd that Kimmuriel is so racist, because he's an extremely logical thinker. He seems to be immune to most of the impediments the drow have, such as the arrogance and pettiness that so often spell disaster for them. |
| Kris the Grey |
Posted - 16 Jul 2013 : 17:06:39
To be colloquial in my assessment, Kimmuriel is a DICK. Anyone doubting that should go back and read/re-read Servant of the Shard - he's racist, cruel, and tortuous in the same fashion as any evil drow. Just because he isn't as personally ambitious as some (and ultimately sees Jarlaxle as a better choice for commander of B'DA than him) doesn't mean he isn't evil with a capital 'E'. |
| jerrod |
Posted - 16 Jul 2013 : 06:30:11
even jarlaxle has said that kimmuriel was hard to understand,entreri mentions that kimmuriel and rai-guy were exceptionally cruel and racist for drow. |
| Seravin |
Posted - 29 May 2012 : 15:04:54
I don't right off recall anywhere that mentioned details of Kimmuriel's relationship to K'yorl (whether they were on good terms or close at all), but it probably wasn't the best given that Kimmuriel is a male child. He doesn't seem any more cruel or harsh than other Drow, and arguably a bit less so. I hope Kimmuriel gets a bit more facetime in the next RAS book, he's an awesome character (though I'm pleased he hasn't been killed off yet). |
| Thauranil |
Posted - 29 May 2012 : 08:05:29
Well house olblodra was said to be the cruelest and harshest of the houses and that's saying something in Drow society so i doubt Kimmuriel would be especially pleased to see his mother again. Though if she offered him something more substantial then i am sure he would be willing to betray Jaraxle.
Anyway people have escaped from the Abyss from why not a powerful psion who also happens to be a matron mother. |
| BEAST |
Posted - 28 May 2012 : 18:08:27
quote:
Originally posted by Seravin
Kimmuriel is still around and thriving, maybe if Errtu is brought back he would bargain with Jarlaxle and Drizzt to get his mother back? Could be an interesting storyline. K'yorl and Jarlaxle hated eachother though, IIRC.
Perhaps Errtu's hatred for Drizzt and K'yorl's hatred for Jar would be enough for Errtu to give her a reprieve and work with her?
And maybe Kimmuriel's bond with his mother would be enough to get him to turn on Jar?!! 
Maybe K'yorl could convince Errtu to let her go back to her son Kimmy  , in exchange for helping the balor to whack Drizzt, but Kimmy might convince her that siding with Jar would actually be right up her alley, and because he is now allied with Drizzt, she might turn on Errtu? |
| Seravin |
Posted - 28 May 2012 : 16:25:00
Kimmuriel is still around and thriving, maybe if Errtu is brought back he would bargain with Jarlaxle and Drizzt to get his mother back? Could be an interesting storyline. K'yorl and Jarlaxle hated eachother though, IIRC. She was definitely different, and the idea of an entire house of Psions masquerading as loyal Lolth priestesses was so cool. |
| Sightless |
Posted - 28 May 2012 : 02:49:46
Bringing her back would definately stur the pot some more, and Lolth seemed to be interested in that of late. It would also allow the first house to truely prove that it has the right to remain the first house, if Lolth doesn't intervean this time. |
| BEAST |
Posted - 28 May 2012 : 02:29:03
quote:
Originally posted by jerrod
It has occurred to me that matron Kyorl oblodra was never slain by beanre. Only banished to the abyssal layer of errtu. Perhaps we may one day see her again! After all..I've played a drow psionist who was several leveled weaker than her in the abyss..and he survived and returned to menzoberranzan. What do you think?
She was given to Errtu for the express purpose of being fiendishly tortured--not just for a minor change of residence. I doubt Errtu would just leave her alone and in peace long enough for her to be able to plot an effective escape. Wulfgar certainly never got any such respite during his 6 years there (The Silent Blade).
Also, Errtu already made the mistake of bringing Wulf back to the Material Plane in 1364 DR (Passage to Dawn), in order to taunt Drizzt. It's questionable whether he would be stupid enough to repeat that mistake with K'yorl viz a viz any other drow.
That is, unless RAS/Lloth saw a good reason for it!
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I think she was one of the most powerful matrons of menzoberranzan and a true revolutionary!
Agreed. I loved that not just a male, who would have obvious reasons for harboring rebellious thoughts towards the matriarchy and the goddess, but a high-ranked matriarch herself was so defiant and self-important. It was great that the powers that be did not paint the matron mothers as complete monoliths. There was diversity amongst them, and along with it, strife.
I also have gotten the feeling that she might've jibed well with some of the rebellious males in Menzo, deliberately using their extant angst for her own purposes.
"WOTSQ" showed us that there is widespread male disgruntlement with the matron mothers' rule. Sure, the male upstarts were eventually crushed. But there is still something hot and incendiary down there in that hole in the ground.
And RAS has hinted at some sort of pop-culture cult of Drizzt within the irreverent circles of Menzo culture. There appears to be a potential movement down there.
And neither K'yorl's banishment nor the WOTSQ did a thing to eliminate it.
BTW, as a side note, consider that Errtu was last banished from the Material in 1364 DR (PTD), and the latest Drizzt book (Neverwinter) was set in 1463 DR, so it's about time that we heard from the balor again.
In one scene, Drizzt flippantly mentions Errtu to a malebranche as the ranger sends the war devil away.
Maybe RAS is setting us up for Errtu's eventual return? And maybe Errtu will bring someone particularly nasty along with him?
Methinks Errtu would rather torture Drizzt than continue doing so with K'yorl. Heck, he probably secretly admires the psionicist, a bit! |
| Dennis |
Posted - 28 May 2012 : 00:55:03
If the dead can be resurrected, then surely the banished can be retrieved. So, yes, she may return...one day. Besides, she's a lackey of a chaotic, fickle deity---who may at a whim suddenly finds her useful if she stays in the Underdark and does her bidding. |
| Markustay |
Posted - 27 May 2012 : 17:15:21
She should come back with a third eye and bat wings.
Then she can pwn some Baenre scum.  |
