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| Cult_Leader |
Posted - 10 Nov 2003 : 14:17:00
Its people like this guy who make me want to actually become Non-Agnostic. Just so I can start worshipping some acient god, one from the good old days. Like Odin, Thor, someone like that who was an actual kick ass god. Cause people like this guy, who make things like this http://www.co.jyu.fi/~np/gameofsatan/ need to be shot and burned. Its people that think they need to be their gods messenger, who should be locked away ina padded room for being far to, guess what, stupid. If you dont like it thats just fine. Dont like it. Dont drag people into your sick, and obviously this guy is ****ing sick, sad worlds. The end. |
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| Bayne |
Posted - 22 Nov 2003 : 12:07:07
quote:
Originally posted by Bookwyrm
I've seen this before. I think there's a link to it somewhere here on the forums -- I'm getting serious deja-vu looking at this thread. Anyway, I don't care about satire in this way. It's like The Onion. Anyone with a brain knows that it's all a joke, if only because of how all the quotes and references are so out there that a tabloid would consider itself above using them.
What I get irritated at are people that don't have a brain who read it and see only what they want to see. Though sometimes that's good for a laugh -- did anyone know about the Christian anti-Harry Potter artical, published by World Net Daily actually quoted an article from The Onion? (Ellen Makkai, "Harry the Wiz Is the Wrong Biz," WorldNetDaily, 26 November 2001.) Seems Ms. Makkai didn't pay attention to her source. And it should have been obvious -- the part she used was this quote:
quote:
High Priest Egan of The First Church of Satan in Salem, Mass., celebrates Harry's contribution, saying, "Harry is an absolute godsend . . . we've had more applicants than we can handle lately."
First, it should be obvious that a "High Priest of the First Church of Satan" is satire in and of itself, leaving aside the tongue-in-cheek mention that it's based in Salem. And that's skipping over the absurdity of a Satanist using the word "godsend"! 
They've since removed that quote from the article still up on their site, but if you do some hunting, you come up with copies of the original.  Sweeping the dust under the rug doesn't remove it, folks!
These people are counting on the fact that people can be easily led if you sound like you know what you're doing or what you're talking about. They're either not checking their facts, or they're making them up!
One of my favorites for that is the (in)famous "Straight Talk on Dungeons & Dragons" by William Schnoebelen, from fifteen years or so ago, and his sequel-article from 2001, "Should a Christian Play Dungeons & Dragons?" The latter claims at the top to have "New Updated Research." In fact, it's an obviously unresearched rehash of a previous article based on fictional "facts."
I'll let you take a look at the false D&D info he cites yourselves. What I want to poin out is his mention, in both articles, of the "Fantasy World-View (FWV)." Obviously, adding alphabet soup will make it more official. However, this alphabet soup has no substance, and in fact becomes soggy very fast. (Don't worry, that's as far as I take that one.  ) Not only is his description of why magic is evil sound a lot like the way technology and science work (is he against that as well?), he "cites" something that he says is a term used by anthropologists.
Well, they must be very quiet anthropologists. I spent quite a bit of time searching for that term on the Internet, and the only place -- one and only, folks! -- I could find those three words together (with or without the hyphen) was in what he wrote. In his second article, he adds a footnote-link (#22). Obviously, that leads to the citation of the work this term appears in, right? Wrong. Quotes from D&D (usually taken out of context, unsurprisingly) are faithfully listed by page and book, but footnote 22 is just a "futhermore" note. No work cited. It seems this guy is counting on us not clicking on that link.
And the moral of the story, folks? Simple. Intelligence -- methodical reason and logic -- wins out over blind hysteria every time. I'm the sort of person who checks up on every warning of the latest computer virus I get in my email. Most people just delete the file listed; I look that filename up. I've never gotten a virus-warning from anyone besides an official anti-virus company (Norton, McAfee) that has ever turned out to be true. (Well, except from Sage. But he's the exception. And he works in that sort of field, so it probably doesn't count anyway.)
The point is that things like this are like one of the first rules of firearms: never take anyone's word that the gun is unloaded or that the safety is engaged. Similarly, one should never believe strange claims without checking. That goes for me too, folks. I encourage you to look up my claims. If nothing else, it'll keep me from getting sloppy. (Or sloppier. )
As was said on one of my favorite shows this past Monday: "Trust, but verify."
Soggy and how!
What's so ironic about this is that the cardinal sin of satanism is ignorance, but i pray, mark...this is exactly what it promotes. |
| Bookwyrm |
Posted - 22 Nov 2003 : 09:00:27
Indeed I will, and especially to this forum. Unlike "The Future of Humanity," this so-far-unnamed paper is topical here. Er, well, it'll mention the Realms, anyway.  |
| The Sage |
Posted - 22 Nov 2003 : 08:56:10
Indeed .
Anyway, I have a question about this new article. Will you be making it available (if, and when it is finished) to interested parties, like your Future of Humanity essay?.
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| Bookwyrm |
Posted - 22 Nov 2003 : 08:50:57
Please do. I'm collecting this stuff right now -- I'm going to try to write an article of my own, a la my "Future of Humanity" essay.
And it's only one of my favorite shows. I'm glad you like it too, though. And I know you like my current favorite. |
| The Sage |
Posted - 22 Nov 2003 : 08:39:13
And anyone who guesses what that 'favorite show' of the Bookwyrm's is, gets a nice crunchy virtual-cookie .
I have a link to a similar site that I 'discovered' purely by accident. It 'attacks' not only D&D, but lists the 'evils' of most of the published settings. Although I found it a particularly interesting read, the writer's knowledge of the individual worlds was very flawed and comprised mostly of poor interpretations of knowledge that he had gleaned from various roleplaying forums.
As soon as I (re)- find the link, I'll post it here for general viewing, comment...and entertainment...
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| Bookwyrm |
Posted - 22 Nov 2003 : 08:09:00
I've seen this before. I think there's a link to it somewhere here on the forums -- I'm getting serious deja-vu looking at this thread. Anyway, I don't care about satire in this way. It's like The Onion. Anyone with a brain knows that it's all a joke, if only because of how all the quotes and references are so out there that a tabloid would consider itself above using them.
What I get irritated at are people that don't have a brain who read it and see only what they want to see. Though sometimes that's good for a laugh -- did anyone know about the Christian anti-Harry Potter artical, published by World Net Daily actually quoted an article from The Onion? (Ellen Makkai, "Harry the Wiz Is the Wrong Biz," WorldNetDaily, 26 November 2001.) Seems Ms. Makkai didn't pay attention to her source. And it should have been obvious -- the part she used was this quote:
quote:
High Priest Egan of The First Church of Satan in Salem, Mass., celebrates Harry's contribution, saying, "Harry is an absolute godsend . . . we've had more applicants than we can handle lately."
First, it should be obvious that a "High Priest of the First Church of Satan" is satire in and of itself, leaving aside the tongue-in-cheek mention that it's based in Salem. And that's skipping over the absurdity of a Satanist using the word "godsend"!
They've since removed that quote from the article still up on their site, but if you do some hunting, you come up with copies of the original. Sweeping the dust under the rug doesn't remove it, folks!
These people are counting on the fact that people can be easily led if you sound like you know what you're doing or what you're talking about. They're either not checking their facts, or they're making them up!
One of my favorites for that is the (in)famous "Straight Talk on Dungeons & Dragons" by William Schnoebelen, from fifteen years or so ago, and his sequel-article from 2001, "Should a Christian Play Dungeons & Dragons?" The latter claims at the top to have "New Updated Research." In fact, it's an obviously unresearched rehash of a previous article based on fictional "facts."
I'll let you take a look at the false D&D info he cites yourselves. What I want to poin out is his mention, in both articles, of the "Fantasy World-View (FWV)." Obviously, adding alphabet soup will make it more official. However, this alphabet soup has no substance, and in fact becomes soggy very fast. (Don't worry, that's as far as I take that one. ) Not only is his description of why magic is evil sound a lot like the way technology and science work (is he against that as well?), he "cites" something that he says is a term used by anthropologists.
Well, they must be very quiet anthropologists. I spent quite a bit of time searching for that term on the Internet, and the only place -- one and only, folks! -- I could find those three words together (with or without the hyphen) was in what he wrote. In his second article, he adds a footnote-link (#22). Obviously, that leads to the citation of the work this term appears in, right? Wrong. Quotes from D&D (usually taken out of context, unsurprisingly) are faithfully listed by page and book, but footnote 22 is just a "futhermore" note. No work cited. It seems this guy is counting on us not clicking on that link.
And the moral of the story, folks? Simple. Intelligence -- methodical reason and logic -- wins out over blind hysteria every time. I'm the sort of person who checks up on every warning of the latest computer virus I get in my email. Most people just delete the file listed; I look that filename up. I've never gotten a virus-warning from anyone besides an official anti-virus company (Norton, McAfee) that has ever turned out to be true. (Well, except from Sage. But he's the exception. And he works in that sort of field, so it probably doesn't count anyway.)
The point is that things like this are like one of the first rules of firearms: never take anyone's word that the gun is unloaded or that the safety is engaged. Similarly, one should never believe strange claims without checking. That goes for me too, folks. I encourage you to look up my claims. If nothing else, it'll keep me from getting sloppy. (Or sloppier. )
As was said on one of my favorite shows this past Monday: "Trust, but verify." |
| Arivia |
Posted - 22 Nov 2003 : 07:53:34
Sounds like either Oscagne or Dolmant. |
| Lina |
Posted - 22 Nov 2003 : 06:56:59
Well Cult Leader what can I say... yes some people take it way too far when religion is concerned, but as Patriach Emban or was that Patriach Oscagne (from David Eddings Tamuli series) says,
A person shouts the loudest when confessing other peoples sins but speak in the smallest whisper when confessing their own.
Was something along those lines anyway.
Don't let something like that website upset you. If you really take it that personally then do what I do... outta sight is out of mind. |
| Dracandos the Spellsage |
Posted - 14 Nov 2003 : 03:02:27
lol that is just rediculus...did u c at the bottom talkin about how washing machines with windows r sinful becuz u may c underwear through them n provoke sexual thoughts, OMG!!! |
| Cyric |
Posted - 13 Nov 2003 : 16:36:51
people like that are so sick, i wonder how they become so twistet any way who cars they are just a bounch of losers |
| Bayne |
Posted - 12 Nov 2003 : 11:13:38
quote:
Originally posted by Cult_Leader
Its people like this guy who make me want to actually become Non-Agnostic. Just so I can start worshipping some acient god, one from the good old days. Like Odin, Thor, someone like that who was an actual kick ass god. Cause people like this guy, who make things like this http://www.co.jyu.fi/~np/gameofsatan/ need to be shot and burned. Its people that think they need to be their gods messenger, who should be locked away ina padded room for being far to, guess what, stupid. If you dont like it thats just fine. Dont like it. Dont drag people into your sick, and obviously this guy is ****ing sick, sad worlds. The end.
Drizzt had a quote about how people should not try to turn others to their Gods...it was in The Icewind Dale Trilogy...I lent the book to someone else, but if someone could post it, it would help with this topic. |
| MuadDib |
Posted - 12 Nov 2003 : 07:08:52
Ah my dear Kahonen, it would seem that we have been confused with each other. How drole.
I suppose we should be compassionate and forgive the offending slip. Afterall, it must be difficult to keep track of two such good looking men. |
| kahonen |
Posted - 11 Nov 2003 : 17:53:12
quote:
Originally posted by MuadDib
wow!
Is Kahonen's name Alex too? How weird is that? Two dudes with the same name and the same avatar...
It wasn't before. Hang on, I'll just go and check.
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| Maecenus of Westgate |
Posted - 11 Nov 2003 : 16:11:37
"Steve Jackson Games, a SATANIC company responsible for OCCULT MASS-MURDERS in Italy and Finland!"
I guess that means my parents are in constant danger, since they live a block away from Mr. Jackson himself (and occasionally get his mail by mistake).
Hilarity! |
| Cult_Leader |
Posted - 11 Nov 2003 : 13:12:02
No actually Im mad at the site because thats a pissy joke. That kind of joke is going to hurt someone trust me. And yeah, some people were really taking that site serious.
I also know its a joke because I have seen it twice before. The problem is this guy keeps pressing this god damn joke over and over again on new MB's. And chatting about it on chats. Its starting to get me mad. |
| Mystery_Man |
Posted - 11 Nov 2003 : 11:26:31
quote:
Originally posted by Cult_Leader
I kind of figured that one Alex. And I already know the webby is a joke.
LOL! No way dude. You were totally suckered.  |
| Arivia |
Posted - 11 Nov 2003 : 06:26:24
That's way too funny.
Some of the highlights:
The Roman-Catholic Inquisition is still active!
HTML coding is the tool the UN will use to enslave the world!
That was quite good for laughs.
Now to post a scathing reply on the forums...
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| MuadDib |
Posted - 11 Nov 2003 : 05:51:09
wow!
Is Kahonen's name Alex too? How weird is that? Two dudes with the same name and the same avatar... |
| The Cardinal |
Posted - 10 Nov 2003 : 16:24:45
WAAAAAYYYY TOOOO FUNNY!!!!
MWA HA HA HA HA HA!!! |
| Cult_Leader |
Posted - 10 Nov 2003 : 16:19:54
I kind of figured that one Alex. And I already know the webby is a joke. But the fact that some of the people on there, Really ment some of that stuff. See. I know one of the people on there. From a Christian chat channel. I went to it cause someone invited me. So I tagged along. Basically these people in this chat were taking this as a real thing. |
| kahonen |
Posted - 10 Nov 2003 : 14:55:48
quote:
Originally posted by Cult_Leader
Here is a link to this giys site thingies. The message boards. read some of the crap and post up what you think. Might be fun.
http://213.130.199.15/~np/guestbook/index.php?s=43df79256bf0a3b438463005bdd036f3
I have done. Mine's the one asking if he's got any photos of the naked dancing in the woods he claims to have witnessed. |
| Cult_Leader |
Posted - 10 Nov 2003 : 14:52:50
Here is a link to this giys site thingies. The message boards. read some of the crap and post up what you think. Might be fun.
http://213.130.199.15/~np/guestbook/index.php?s=43df79256bf0a3b438463005bdd036f3 |
| kahonen |
Posted - 10 Nov 2003 : 14:46:40
quote:
Originally posted by Cult_Leader
Its people like this guy who make me want to actually become Non-Agnostic. Just so I can start worshipping some acient god, one from the good old days. Like Odin, Thor, someone like that who was an actual kick ass god. Cause people like this guy, who make things like this http://www.co.jyu.fi/~np/gameofsatan/ need to be shot and burned. Its people that think they need to be their gods messenger, who should be locked away ina padded room for being far to, guess what, stupid. If you dont like it thats just fine. Dont like it. Dont drag people into your sick, and obviously this guy is ****ing sick, sad worlds. The end.
You really shouldn't jump to conclusions so quickly, Cult_Leader.
Try the following:
1. Go back to the website you are talking about.
2. Right click on the background and select "Save Background as ..."
3. Save the .GIF file to your hard disk.
4. Open the file with your favourite graphics program.
5. Zoom in far enough to see the words "This is a joke".
6. Laugh.
Didn't the censored picture of the washing machine containing the underwear give it away? |
| Cult_Leader |
Posted - 10 Nov 2003 : 14:39:13
My reply to being a gay homo rapist???;
My my my, Let me slam you to. Just like I slammed that other person. Look at yourself going on about gays. Its their choice for one. Second, just become someone role plays, I my self being a role player of the game D&D and many others, does not make me gay in anyway. Infact i met my soon to be wife who happens to be a very good christian through role playing. Im really ashamed to say this. But your a (the f-word) moron. If anyone needs to have any form of strong actions taken against you. Its the loony bin comming to take you away.
Further more, the symbol on this mans main page IS A PENTICLE. Not a pentigon. Its the damn pegan symbol for good luck. So what are you all gettting at? That peganism started infernalism? Im still laughing at you all for your stupid comments. |
| Cult_Leader |
Posted - 10 Nov 2003 : 14:38:13
A true christian?;
I have read your page and I must say that it's good to know that there are still people who are strong in faith. Right now, at this very moment, there are concerned honest tax-paying christians who have realised that the western civilization is under the threat of becoming overtaken by satanist cult ritualists. It is our children who are to become the victims of this satanic invasion. I know many parents who have lost their children to these satanist groups who call themselves ROLEPLAYERS. I have heard from honest church-going people that these evil satan-lovers eat new-born babies, practise the evil art of sodomy and worst of all don't do their duty to their Fatherland by taking civil service! This blasphemy must be stopped right now!! Someone must take radical measures to bring down the evil cult leaders behind this activity. Otherwise we will have a society of evil gay homosexual rapists and every good christian will forced to worship satan and give himself to flames of Hell itself! Lords guidance to you all. Blessed be, hallelujah! |
| Cult_Leader |
Posted - 10 Nov 2003 : 14:27:49
My reply to these people in their guest book:
After looking over your site, im sad to say that I will NEVER be any form of Christian. Your making your religion look and sound like it is nothing more then a cult. Its people liek you who really need to take trips to mental hospitals. Further more, if the internet is the Anti-Christ. Then why the **** are you using it to post **** that slams other people joys into the god damn mud? Is that not "using the Anti-Christ?" Wow, I bet you never thought about that one did you? You really need to learn how to look and read what you say. Again. Get your lame ass self some help. Quit using a religion as your backing to slam something thats nothing more then a game.
One person killed hemselves way back in the day. Whoopity fricking doo. That was one person who was proven to have issues before said person even got into this game known as D&D. If you want to slam D&D then why dont you slam VERY single form of mid-evil thing there is. Slam Tolkens works why don't you. D&D Is only here cause of him and his wonderful books. So slam all the fair tales of old with your stupid rants and raves that add up to nothing more then a person who is to sad in his own lide that he feels he has to make a nazi christian army. Thats basically what you want. Isnt it? To form some type of christian based group to "triumph over evil." Did you even stop to think that all your doing is trying to state a point and get people to agree with you so you -have friends-? Probably not. Did you also stop to think of this; Each time that you slam soemthign all your doing is making younger groups want to do it, or want it more.
Please. All you people who think like this guy, PLEASE, just give tat useless **** up and stop. All your actually doing is making yourselves look like obsessed fools. Its time for sick crap like this to come to an end.
A religion, is just that, soemthing that people base their lives on, their hopes, dreams, and other such things. Don't run around and ****ing taint that you sick bastards. Shame on you all.
Like normal I just didnt care to fix my typos. Let them fix them for themselves. |
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