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| Dennis |
Posted - 10 Nov 2010 : 06:08:45
We already have a 'Most Horrible RSE' thread. Why not the exact opposite?!
For me, the RSE that made sense and was really well done (it's something to be expected of PSK) is the Twilight War. Not too many realms were affected. But it did make quite a few significant changes. I've seen Shade make 'direct,' confrontational moves against its enemies before. This feels like a welcome change---as the Princes preferred to conquer Sembia via political machinations instead. It's also nice to feel a 'personal touch' of the story---that though the conflict was so huge (involving a goddess, a demigod, and a catastrophe that could have 'consumed' the entire world) it never lost its focus on its key players: Cale and his friends. This event, RSE, is like two sides of the same coin: the development of Cale as a shade character, and the furthering of Shade's plan to expand its empire.
How about you? Which among the RSEs made sense to you and you think was exceptionally executed? |
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| Dennis |
Posted - 26 Nov 2010 : 03:17:32
Having read The Captive Flame, I think the war among the eastern nations is an RSE. There's not much development yet in the book, but I suppose there'd be in Whisper of Venom, which unfortunately I haven't yet read. |
| Ayrik |
Posted - 25 Nov 2010 : 07:55:22
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dennis
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The Sage
I'm inclined to agree with Arik. Which is why I'm often a strong proponent of leaving RSE definitions to personal opinions/experiences.
Oh, that would make almost every event in the Realms an RSE.
Well, not every event. The flushing of Szass's toilet isn't an RSE, nor is King Azoun's sudden allergy to Moonsea-imported Tanarrifish an RSE. But yup, pretty much everything else is RSE.  |
| Dennis |
Posted - 25 Nov 2010 : 07:29:15
I noticed many scribes like the YoRD. Strangely, it's one of the RSEs to which I am kinda apathetic. I don't detest it, but I don't like it either. Have I missed something? |
| Sill Alias |
Posted - 25 Nov 2010 : 07:19:20
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Originally posted by dennis
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Originally posted by Sill Alias
I thought manipulating the quotes is activity of troll people only.
Is that a big deal?! Right. I edited it back to its original, wonderful state.
Sometimes. Usually I do not point that out, but no one usually does that. |
| Dennis |
Posted - 25 Nov 2010 : 07:17:50
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Originally posted by The Sage
I'm inclined to agree with Arik. Which is why I'm often a strong proponent of leaving RSE definitions to personal opinions/experiences.
Oh, that would make almost every event in the Realms an RSE. |
| Dennis |
Posted - 25 Nov 2010 : 07:14:51
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Originally posted by Sill Alias
I thought manipulating the quotes is activity of troll people only.
Is that a big deal?! Right. I edited it back to its original, wonderful state. |
| Sill Alias |
Posted - 25 Nov 2010 : 07:00:50
I thought manipulating the quotes is activity of troll people only. |
| dwarvenranger |
Posted - 25 Nov 2010 : 00:36:11
I enjoyed the Year of Rogue Dragons and the Threat from the Sea |
| Dennis |
Posted - 24 Nov 2010 : 09:30:48
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Originally posted by Sill Alias
I dunno much about the recent era's. I mostly read a little of avengers and spidey and do not know what to read to get the right impression and knowledge. So with RSE. To read novels to understand them completely...*sigh* I got tired of that a little.
Maybe because you haven't read the right novels. You might have come across those pesky ones that don't only elicit boredom but sheer annoyance as well. |
| The Sage |
Posted - 24 Nov 2010 : 08:34:27
I'm inclined to agree with Arik. Which is why I'm often a strong proponent of leaving RSE definitions to personal opinions/experiences. |
| Ayrik |
Posted - 24 Nov 2010 : 07:40:19
It's a touchy topic. Difficult to define the concept of RSE in neutral language. |
| Dennis |
Posted - 24 Nov 2010 : 07:31:00
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Originally posted by The Sage
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Originally posted by dennis
A suggestion, Sage: Include in the CC the RSEs from all editions. Perhaps dividing them into minor and major. The minor shall consist of those which have short-term effects to a few realms; while the major ones shall be composed of those that shook A NUMBER of realms and whose effects are either short- or long-term.
I've actually been thinking about that, along with a host of other updates for the Code of Conduct.
Strangely, I've got a number of definitions for an RSE in my oft-quoted Candlekeep's Guide to Forgotten Realms FAQ. 
Well, you could solicit aid from some scribes to come up with a 'holistic' or most appropriate definition. |
| Sill Alias |
Posted - 24 Nov 2010 : 07:23:31
I dunno much about the recent era's. I mostly read a little of avengers and spidey and do not know what to read to get the right impression and knowledge. So with RSE. To read novels to understand them completely...*sigh* I got tired of that a little. |
| The Sage |
Posted - 24 Nov 2010 : 07:21:35
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Originally posted by dennis
A suggestion, Sage: Include in the CC the RSEs from all editions. Perhaps dividing them into minor and major. The minor shall consist of those which have short-term effects to a few realms; while the major ones shall be composed of those that shook A NUMBER of realms and whose effects are either short- or long-term.
I've actually been thinking about that, along with a host of other updates for the Code of Conduct.
Strangely, I've got a number of definitions for an RSE in my oft-quoted Candlekeep's Guide to Forgotten Realms FAQ. |
| The Sage |
Posted - 24 Nov 2010 : 07:19:12
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Originally posted by Alystra Illianniis
Hmmm, I don't know that I'd call either of those WORTHWHILE. They certainly qualify, though. What's Heroic Age? I've been out of the comic loop for almost a year, except for the fairly recent travesty that was One Moment in Time. I actually cried, the ending was so bad...
It's kinda the Marvel equivalent of DC's Brightest Day -- Osborn's in jail, the old Avengers are back, Captain America and Iron Man are friends again, and evil is back to cowering in the shadows.
See here:- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heroic_Age_%28comics%29 |
| Dennis |
Posted - 24 Nov 2010 : 07:17:24
A suggestion, Sage: Include in the CC the RSEs from all editions. Perhaps dividing them into minor and major. The minor shall consist of those which have short-term effects to a few realms; while the major ones shall be composed of those that shook A NUMBER of realms and whose effects are either short- or long-term. |
| Alystra Illianniis |
Posted - 24 Nov 2010 : 07:09:37
Hmmm, I don't know that I'd call either of those WORTHWHILE. They certainly qualify, though. What's Heroic Age? I've been out of the comic loop for almost a year, except for the fairly recent travesty that was One Moment in Time. I actually cried, the ending was so bad... |
| The Sage |
Posted - 24 Nov 2010 : 07:06:29
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Originally posted by Alystra Illianniis
It's not much different than the WSE's (world-shattering events) often seen in comics. Civil War, Infinite Earth Crisis, One More Day, Dark Reign, etc..... These are all WSE's for their respective universes.
Of course, those examples are in varying degrees. The after-effects of both Civil War and Dark Reign have been largely negated now, with the rise of the Heroic Age. The various Crisis sagas for DC though, and Spider-Man's One More Day/One Moment In Time, are truly worthwhile examples of comic WSE's however.
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| Alystra Illianniis |
Posted - 24 Nov 2010 : 07:02:36
I dunno, but they have used it themselves- just read a Q/A page over on WotC's FR section about what the philosophy was behind the Spellplague/time-jump RSE. Was interesting reading, but did not seem to make much sense to me. Smacked of lack of imagination more than anything. |
| Dennis |
Posted - 24 Nov 2010 : 06:51:07
Hmm, I thought RSE is WotC's term. I must have been somewhere else in the vast Multiverse when the fans coined that word. |
| Alystra Illianniis |
Posted - 24 Nov 2010 : 06:50:28
It's not much different than the WSE's (world-shattering events) often seen in comics. Civil War, Infinite Earth Crisis, One More Day, Dark Reign, etc..... These are all WSE's for their respective universes. |
| Sandro |
Posted - 24 Nov 2010 : 06:41:51
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Originally posted by dennis
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Originally posted by Markustay
THE definition is something that altered the Realms in a significant way and took place during the game setting (NOT novel, because stories take place at all different points in time).
I concur. Except the game part.
I see WotC's failure to make an official list of RSEs as some sort of a problem. How do we qualify 'significant' in your definition? How do we know that what we believe is an RSE is really an RSE?
Because RSE is a fan term, and it only matters to us. I don't know when it came out, but I believe (please, don't quote me) that it was used to describe the series of bigger and bigger events taking place in 3E trilogies, and was used as a blanket term for all of them.
Other than that, what's the effect of an RSE? Wizbro, and by extention their authors, can simply look at the effects on the Realms without having to know that, oh that this is this way because of an RSE, while that is that way because of something entirely different.
If anyone's going to want a definition of RSE's, it's the fans who came up with the term, not anyone else.
Apologies if any of my assumptions are wrong; this is what I seem to have read about happening, while others here have lived through all this, and I defer to their knowledge entirely, should I be incorrect. |
| Ayrik |
Posted - 24 Nov 2010 : 06:37:51
It's not in Wizbro's best interests to compile (or comment on) such a list, if you think about it from their point of view. Hardly a "failure" to acknowledge the topic; WotC don't want (or need) to waste time justifying themselves to rabid packs of pitbulls.
This is perhaps the most civil discussion about RSEs I've read, in this or any other forum. Yet even still there is constant bickering and disagreement, tempers and passions flare, people can hardly even agree on terminology. WotC's responsibility is to keep piloting the helm, not to keep looking back at any victims who've fallen overboard or drowned in their wake. |
| Dennis |
Posted - 24 Nov 2010 : 06:15:47
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Originally posted by Markustay
THE definition is something that altered the Realms in a significant way and took place during the game setting (NOT novel, because stories take place at all different points in time).
I concur. Except the game part.
I see WotC's failure to make an official list of RSEs as some sort of a problem. How do we qualify 'significant' in your definition? How do we know that what we believe is an RSE is really an RSE? |
| coach |
Posted - 20 Nov 2010 : 01:21:48
The Year of Rogue Dragons |
| Ayrik |
Posted - 17 Nov 2010 : 19:07:51
Whereas in my campaign the emphasis of the Tuigan Horde was on what happened in Thay. Azoun's Crusade was just a distant (and vaguely uninteresting) follow up, more about policing the map than forging an empire. Hardly an RSE in my perception (more of a mini-campaign thing, like Pool of Radiance), though I've mentioned that before - and I always understood other people viewing the horde as an RSE of import.
I approve of your multiple-witness analogy, it seems to cleverly summarize, validate, and explain everybody's RSE arguments. |
| Markustay |
Posted - 17 Nov 2010 : 18:51:32
THE definition is something that altered the Realms in a significant way and took place during the game setting (NOT novel, because stories take place at all different points in time).
That is what an RSE IS.
MY POINT was that different people will feel differently about various RSE's (as to weather 'they count') dependent upon when they first began learning about the Realms, and also WHERE their main area of concern is.
Aco13 is correct in that reality is reality, but how we judge things (which is THE TOPIC of this thread) is HIGHLY subjective. We can only base our opinions on what we know, NOT what we don't know (which is why there is so much hatred in the world - people learn from their environment).
For instance, a bank gets robbed, and there are 17 witnesses. Each gives a very different accounting of the events (this happens all the time), including wildly disparate descriptions of the perpetrators.
Only ONE reality took place there, yet everyone saw something completely different. We CAN NOT 'filter-out' our own pre-conditioning.
Ergo, reality itself becomes highly subjective.
Since I am a huge fan of The Hordelands (a highly under-appreciated region), I will tend to look at the Tuigan War as an RSE, even though most folks wouldn't even remember to add that to their list. After the war, Azoun was atempting to create an Empire that included the Dales and Sembia (betcha a lot of you either forgot or never knew that). Had he been able to pull THAT off in the aftermath, then the Tuigan War would have assuredly made everyone's list of RSE's. Unfortunately, those plans never saw fruition (thanks to to the events of the devil-dragon AND the appearance of Shade), so any long-term/reaching effects never really manifested. As far as it being an RSE, it 'shook' very little.
So was it an RSE? YES
Did it count? NO |
| Ayrik |
Posted - 17 Nov 2010 : 15:54:05
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The Sage
Only you, as the DM, can decide just what definition appropriately reflects the nature of an RSE for your campaign.
Of course, you never know when everything might be abruptly turned on its head by the introduction of new written lore.
[Edit: Yay, I got a cookie! Booya!] |
| Dennis |
Posted - 17 Nov 2010 : 05:56:14
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Originally posted by The Sage
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Originally posted by dennis
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Originally posted by The Sage
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Originally posted by dennis
Does WotC have a list of Official RSEs? 'Cause if they do, perhaps we should better stick to it so as not to argue whether what we think is an RSE is really an RSE.
Not that I know of. In fact, I'd assume that even official Wizards folk probably have differing views on what actually constitutes an RSE and what doesn't.
I see. I'd stick to my own definition then.
Really, I'd say that's the best alternative. Especially so if you regularly campaign in the Realms setting. Only you, as the DM, can decide just what definition appropriately reflects the nature of an RSE for your campaign.
Oh, I don't game. How I wish I could find the time... Haven't you noticed? I very rarely participated in threads that deal with game mechanics, or however you call it. |
| The Sage |
Posted - 17 Nov 2010 : 05:43:15
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Originally posted by dennis
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Originally posted by The Sage
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Originally posted by dennis
Does WotC have a list of Official RSEs? 'Cause if they do, perhaps we should better stick to it so as not to argue whether what we think is an RSE is really an RSE.
Not that I know of. In fact, I'd assume that even official Wizards folk probably have differing views on what actually constitutes an RSE and what doesn't.
I see. I'd stick to my own definition then.
Really, I'd say that's the best alternative. Especially so if you regularly campaign in the Realms setting. Only you, as the DM, can decide just what definition appropriately reflects the nature of an RSE for your campaign.
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