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Snowblood Posted - 25 May 2010 : 09:48:49
In what year did Hilather defeat Marydoch The Ebon Flame? & What happened that placed him in temporal stasis????? Any one any ideas????
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Jakk Posted - 26 May 2010 : 08:31:27
Dracons: AFAIK, from relatively recent posts in his scroll from The Hooded One, Ed DMs his original group of players every chance they get (very rarely these days) and also runs regular one-off game sessions far more regularly. For his home campaign, AFAIK, Ed still uses 1st Edition rules.

As far as the NDAs are concerned, they exist primarily to keep authors from contradicting each other in their work, and secondarily to keep interesting lore away from interested players until the publisher decides that they can make money from it. Which means that we'll probably never see things like the Cormyr Lineage or the real explanation behind the Spellplague, because the powers that be have convinced themselves that there isn't a market in the gaming industry for anything that isn't 90% game-mechanics.

(At least, that's how I see the thought processes going, if indeed they exist at all...)

I'm more hopeful regarding Halaster, as the NDAs are relatively new, I believe in some cases post-dating his death in Expedition to Undermountain. This alone should tell us that something is still in the works for him... I expect we'll be seeing something involving Halaster in some form post-Spellplague; the question is, when?

Compared to 3rd Edition and (especially) 2nd Edition, I feel like I'm waiting for Caina to defrost when it comes to waiting for things to happen in the published Realms...
Quale Posted - 26 May 2010 : 07:28:20
I think it was around - 3000 DR, he said he was in his weak shadow form for 500 years since before the fall of Imaskar.
Dracons Posted - 26 May 2010 : 05:33:31
So, why the NDA's? I mean Ed made the bulk of these, and so did other athuors. Why can't we know? I don't get it at all.


Also: Does Ed Greenwood still DM? What edition? ....

I would kill my own players to be in a game with him. Man that would rock.
Jakk Posted - 25 May 2010 : 18:58:50
This is the first I recall hearing about Marydoch... and my guess is the answer to both your questions is "NDA"... given that the identity of his teacher is "MAJOR NDA" according to Ed himself... quote forthcoming:

Edit:
quote:

The Hooded One
8 October 2004
Melfius, I bring you the rather frisky (and incomplete; see hereafter) replies of Ed, as follows:

1. What is the name of the seventh apprentice? Was it Ezzat as detailed in the Ruins of Undermountain II? Or is Nandel Greenward? Hmmm. That makes eight. I hate mysteries.
[NDA]
2. Do any of the aforementioned apprentices have last names?
Yes, but they’ve not been remembered by, or are not known to, our Realms sources consulted thus far. Perhaps they’ll be revealed in the fullness of [NDA]
3. Has there been documented anywhere any descendants of any apprentices?
No. However, that doesn’t mean no offspring exist. In fact, [NDA]
4. Did Halaster begin holding the MageFairs on his own, or was he working with a group?
Halaster thought he was establishing MageFairs on his own, but in fact more than one deity of magic was whispering subtle suggestions in more than one mortal ear to bring it about. Otherwise, given the paranoid nature of most mages, it’s likely the MageFairs would never have been more than Halaster waiting in some tranquil, remote locale for one or two mages to show up (and the Fairs would have ended the moment one arriving mage attacked, or was attacked by, another). As for who these deities and other mortals were, specifically, I’d have to say [NDA]
5. At what point did Halaster decide to change his name from Hilather?
[NDA]
6. Where/When was Halaster born?
A long time ago, specifically [NDA] in [NDA]
7. What changes have been made to Halaster since Elminster in Hell? (i.e. Is he sane now?)
Like any long-lived mage, Halaster isn’t what most other mortals would call ‘normal,’ and never will be. However, Mystra did some major mental healing (that also involved binding Halaster more closely to her service), ‘offstage’ in the latter part of ELMINSTER IN HELL and thereafter. Halaster did NOT become a Chosen, but reached a ‘separate peace’ with her in return for serving her as an agent (in the events recounted in ELMINSTER IN HELL). He still has his ‘raving times,’ but they’re fewer, shorter, and less severe than before (i.e. he’s far more in touch with reality, and more cunning and less reckless whilst in the throes of them); most of the time he’s in complete control of himself -- and this is no longer governed by his location (in Undermountain or outside of it). That doesn’t mean he’s a ‘happy camper.’ For one thing, he’s both enraged and ashamed at how many years he’s wasted ‘drifting’ in sub-sanity, and is just climbing out of considering himself an utter failure and a rot-fungus on the face of Faerun and into deciding what he’ll devote the rest of his life to. Consider him a magical whirlwind that’s stopped spinning and is poised to decide what to do next. Tremble, Faerun, tremble.
8. When Halster claimed to have been touched by Shar, does this mean he has access to the Shadow Weave?
Halaster HAD access to the Shadow Weave; much of his madness was due to Shar’s whisperings (attempts to mind-control him), which is specifically what he meant by her ‘touch.’ Shar’s influence gave him access to the Shadow Weave, but Halaster’s aged, busy, brilliantly-magic-creative mind couldn’t simultaneously handle mastery of both Weave and Shadow Weave, and so he was losing his sanity (and only thereby keeping Shar at bay: she couldn’t control a mind in such internal chaos). Mystra in effect thrust Shar out (in any contest of pure magic and of mortal mastery of magic, in which Mystra and Shar can exert equal forces against each other, Mystra will always win, because she IS magic, and has supremacy) of Halaster’s mind, banishing all traces of the Shadow Weave forever. What she left behind makes Halaster one of the few mortals whom Shar can never subvert, now. She can break his mind and his body, but not corrupt and come to control him. (In other words, he’s equal to a Chosen of Mystra in this regard. The Chosen who’ve failed Mystra in the past have lost their sanity and ‘fallen away from her love,’ and so become corruptible.)
9. Are there any anecdotes about any of your gaming groups’ encounters with Halaster?
Yes.
Oh, ALL right: I'll unleash THO to answer this when she can (I know she's very busy this weekend), and at that time return with some feeble attempts to answer your other three questions, too.

Ed
So saith the Master. Gawds, Halaster [shudder]! You WOULD have to make me relive those disasters, wouldn't you?
THO
<chopped for brevity; search the 2004 scroll for the phrase "We fled like screaming children" (no quotes) for the details of Halaster's encounters with the Knights.>
10. Where/When did Halaster begin training his apprentices?
A long time ago, specifically [NDA], in a [NDA] far, far away, a ragtag [NDA]
11. Who trained Halaster?
My reply: [MAJOR NDA MAJOR NDA MAJOR NDA ASSUME CONTROL ASSUME CONTROL]
Ahem. It will probably come as no surprise to you to learn that my answers to 12 (What would Halaster’s alignment have been a)when he began training his apprentices b)when he created Halaster’s Hold?) must also be the grim silence of the NDA fortress wall. (Sorry. I am, truly.)



The madman's dead, his soul shattered and scattered to the far reaches of the planes, and he still has more NDAs about him than the rest of the Realms. The existence of the NDAs should give us hope for the future, but I'd rather not have to leave instructions in my will for my great-grandchildren to perform a seance to provide me with answers... generally, seances are held to obtain answers from the dead, not provide answers for them.

Oh, and I have exactly the same feelings regarding the Cormyr Lineage, but that's OT.

Edit: Question 4 and Question 6 above have been (in whole or in part) answered by subsequent products since the OP first asked the questions, as we now know that Halaster was an Imaskari arcanist and that Mystra (Mystryl? the time frame is eluding me here) was one of the deities responsible for the MageFairs.

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