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| Dinnin |
Posted - 13 May 2010 : 00:49:42
Hey All
Just wondering if anyone knows when exactly Artemis killed that shade with his dagger? I know it was after he got Charions Claw. But i dont know if its actually written in any books about the encounter or not. And i havent really been able to find anywhere on the net that tells me much about it.
Cheers |
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| Dennis |
Posted - 05 Dec 2011 : 17:31:41
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Originally posted by Firestorm
And yet, the wizard thought he had them at a disadvantage and would have to have left the silence to dispel it + he was concerned with the poison and thought to use the silence as a cover to heal himself. You do realize that the majority of wizards don"t have quickened spells right? Or the few they have they save for better spells than a dispel.
Where was it mentioned that he thought he had them at a disadvantage? He was outnumbered by people who didn't have to use spells to kill him, and he had only his shroud of darkness/shadows as protection which most likely was dissipating as time passed by.
What good are those supposed "better spells" if they can be rendered useless by a spell of silence? |
| Firestorm |
Posted - 05 Dec 2011 : 17:04:26
quote:
Originally posted by BEAST
quote:
Originally posted by Tarloc
i havent read either. got the gist in RoP which took place in 1360sumpthing. shade return in 72. assasin was shadovar maybe like melegaunt? collecting netherese relics
I don't know much of the lore on the Shades and Shadovar.
But is it possible that Rorli the shade was a sort of advance scout for the Netherese? Would they find such a scout useful for their purposes?
quote:
Originally posted by creyzi4zb12
Was Barrabus his real name? (Like the name given by his momma?)
I looked up the etymology of the Real World name that Barrabus is based on, which is BarabBAS. Apparently it is Aramaic and translates as "burden-father". (This name has been Anglicized as "BarRAbas". Hmmm...accent on the RA...book written by RAS...coinkidink, you think?  )
That can be interpreted as "burden of the father", or "burden upon the father", or "burden by the father".
If you've read Road of the Patriarch, then I think that might help clarify a possible meaning of the name, from Artemis's POV.
He was an advance scout. It was made clear that they sent many looking for artifacts from ancient netheril |
| Firestorm |
Posted - 05 Dec 2011 : 17:03:19
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Originally posted by Dennis
quote:
Originally posted by Firestorm
quote:
Originally posted by Dennis
Or another instance of inconsistency.
The story was very specific that Netheril had not returned yet. But was going to in the near future.
And most Shadovar casters are not high level princes with contingencies for everything.
A spell of silence is so common that only an idiotic wizard doesn't have a counter-spell against it.
And yet, the wizard thought he had them at a disadvantage and would have to have left the silence to dispel it + he was concerned with the poison and thought to use the silence as a cover to heal himself. You do realize that the majority of wizards don"t have quickened spells right? Or the few they have they save for better spells than a dispel |
| Dennis |
Posted - 04 Dec 2011 : 07:59:27
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Originally posted by Brimstone
quote:
Originally posted by Dennis
Or another instance of inconsistency.
Wasn't there a Prince (Purple Rain, Purple Rain) of Shade in the Realms, BEFORE the Enclave returned.
Melegaunt Tanthul, the most charismatic of the princes. He even managed to convince the race who are most doubtful of humans to go along with his plans.
His job was to "prepare" Toril for the return of Shade Enclave. Which he succeeded, at the cost of his own life. I'd like to see him return, preferably to be written by Paul.  |
| Dennis |
Posted - 04 Dec 2011 : 07:57:11
quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
quote:
Originally posted by Dennis
quote:
Originally posted by Firestorm
quote:
Originally posted by Dennis
Or another instance of inconsistency.
The story was very specific that Netheril had not returned yet. But was going to in the near future.
And most Shadovar casters are not high level princes with contingencies for everything.
A spell of silence is so common that only an idiotic wizard doesn't have a counter-spell against it.
Of course, if it's so common that everyone can cast it and counter, then no one will memorize it, knowing it will be countered. So no one will prepare the counter, knowing the spell's not going to be cast at them. And then one day, someone stirs up the mess by actually casting silence! 
Not everyone. And some would [or should] still memorize it because Toril doesn't lack idiots who don't know how to counter it. Take for example a kobold newly dabbling in magic.
RAS's characters are protected by the world's strongest armor: plot. I wouldn't be surprised if one day they manage [even individually] to defeat Telamont, Szass Tam, Manshoon, and Larloch (not necessarily in that order). |
| Brimstone |
Posted - 04 Dec 2011 : 07:43:38
quote:
Originally posted by Dennis
Or another instance of inconsistency.
Wasn't there a Prince (Purple Rain, Purple Rain) of Shade in the Realms, BEFORE the Enclave returned.
Someone had to bring their (Shades that is) trapped behinds back...
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| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 04 Dec 2011 : 06:22:16
quote:
Originally posted by Dennis
quote:
Originally posted by Firestorm
quote:
Originally posted by Dennis
Or another instance of inconsistency.
The story was very specific that Netheril had not returned yet. But was going to in the near future.
And most Shadovar casters are not high level princes with contingencies for everything.
A spell of silence is so common that only an idiotic wizard doesn't have a counter-spell against it.
Of course, if it's so common that everyone can cast it and counter, then no one will memorize it, knowing it will be countered. So no one will prepare the counter, knowing the spell's not going to be cast at them. And then one day, someone stirs up the mess by actually casting silence! |
| Dennis |
Posted - 04 Dec 2011 : 05:28:23
quote:
Originally posted by Firestorm
quote:
Originally posted by Dennis
Or another instance of inconsistency.
The story was very specific that Netheril had not returned yet. But was going to in the near future.
And most Shadovar casters are not high level princes with contingencies for everything.
A spell of silence is so common that only an idiotic wizard doesn't have a counter-spell against it. |
| BEAST |
Posted - 04 Dec 2011 : 04:04:45
quote:
Originally posted by Tarloc
i havent read either. got the gist in RoP which took place in 1360sumpthing. shade return in 72. assasin was shadovar maybe like melegaunt? collecting netherese relics
I don't know much of the lore on the Shades and Shadovar.
But is it possible that Rorli the shade was a sort of advance scout for the Netherese? Would they find such a scout useful for their purposes?
quote:
Originally posted by creyzi4zb12
Was Barrabus his real name? (Like the name given by his momma?)
I looked up the etymology of the Real World name that Barrabus is based on, which is BarabBAS. Apparently it is Aramaic and translates as "burden-father". (This name has been Anglicized as "BarRAbas". Hmmm...accent on the RA...book written by RAS...coinkidink, you think? )
That can be interpreted as "burden of the father", or "burden upon the father", or "burden by the father".
If you've read Road of the Patriarch, then I think that might help clarify a possible meaning of the name, from Artemis's POV. |
| Tarloc |
Posted - 03 Dec 2011 : 15:09:29
in neverwinter artemis says he hasnt been known as entreri for 70 or so years. and the walk of barrabus had me laughing for days. and i used all of his names! think he had another though in legacy, when he stayed in menzo (besides offal)! lol. anyone take a stab? and i would like to thank my fellow nerds for this site. im not the only fr freak anymore. |
| Yoss |
Posted - 03 Dec 2011 : 13:42:46
quote:
Originally posted by creyzi4zb12
Was Barrabus his real name? (Like the name given by his momma?)
No, it has yet to be mentioned where that one came from. |
| creyzi4zb12 |
Posted - 03 Dec 2011 : 09:28:19
Was Barrabus his real name? (Like the name given by his momma?) |
| Tarloc |
Posted - 03 Dec 2011 : 06:49:34
touche firestorm. i need to read it still. cant wait to find out how the shadovar got the sword and barrabus to serve |
| Firestorm |
Posted - 03 Dec 2011 : 06:43:38
quote:
Originally posted by Dennis
Or another instance of inconsistency.
The story was very specific that Netheril had not returned yet. But was going to in the near future.
And most Shadovar casters are not high level princes with contingencies for everything. |
| Tarloc |
Posted - 03 Dec 2011 : 05:42:48
still a must read. most anthologies have only a few good stories. is there any other info on why or how they got to bloodstone after they destroy the crystal shard? |
| Dennis |
Posted - 03 Dec 2011 : 05:30:15
Or another instance of inconsistency. |
| Tarloc |
Posted - 03 Dec 2011 : 01:59:03
i havent read either. got the gist in RoP which took place in 1360sumpthing. shade return in 72. assasin was shadovar maybe like melegaunt? collecting netherese relics |
| Dennis |
Posted - 02 Dec 2011 : 14:25:53
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Originally posted by entreri3478
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Originally posted by _Jarlaxle_
ah, unfortunatly its still on my to read list
Great story!
Not for me. That's the only story in Realms of Shadow that I skimmed through. Entreri and Jarl would have died if the latter didn't cast the spell of silence. The shade assassin was an idiot for not having a contingency against a spell of silence. |
| Artemas Entreri |
Posted - 02 Dec 2011 : 14:17:40
quote:
Originally posted by _Jarlaxle_
ah, unfortunatly its still on my to read list
Great story! |
| _Jarlaxle_ |
Posted - 02 Dec 2011 : 13:17:26
ah, unfortunatly its still on my to read list |
| Firestorm |
Posted - 02 Dec 2011 : 12:59:54
quote:
Originally posted by _Jarlaxle_
you are confusing shadovar with shades.
Many shadovar are shades but not all shades are shadovar
But it was a shadovar shade he killed |
| _Jarlaxle_ |
Posted - 02 Dec 2011 : 08:58:43
you are confusing shadovar with shades.
Many shadovar are shades but not all shades are shadovar |
| Tarloc |
Posted - 02 Dec 2011 : 05:43:11
but the city of shade didnt return until 1372dr. agent of shade from the plane of shadow? |
| BEAST |
Posted - 14 May 2010 : 08:14:38
quote:
Originally posted by Dinnin
Hey All
Just wondering if anyone knows when exactly Artemis killed that shade with his dagger?
"When"?
Approximately autumn of 1367 DR, a "couple of months" since damaging the Crystal Shard in the novel Servant of the Shard.
Let's say Uktar/November.  |
| Diffan |
Posted - 13 May 2010 : 02:39:41
It was a short story called "That curious sword" in the anthology Realms of Shadow. It took place at the time Artemis and Jarlaxle were in the Bloodstone lands and Damara. |
