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| IngoDjan |
Posted - 29 Mar 2009 : 06:01:58
Hi scribes.
I was wandering in my favorite kind of plot when I DM, and always prefer developed villain plans. So that, I want to know, for you guys, what you think, in FR novels, is the most amazing, smartest, well executed plan of villains.
I particularly think Kymil's plan to make Arylin and Bran to join was the most smartest of all. Make he think that she was a target/guilty of Harper's killer to he came to protect/harass the half-elf, making moonstone and moonblade togheter is really amazing.
I would like to know your opinion? |
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| Tyr |
Posted - 15 Apr 2009 : 09:55:05
Technically yes, but the date was usually updated as sourcebooks were released. Given the Wizards release schedule for settings with 4e its probably safe to assume we'll never know.
For evil plans, Bhaal's more interesting version of Bane's rebirth could have been a really good one. However he just ended up playing manwhore then died. |
| swifty |
Posted - 15 Apr 2009 : 09:34:34
quote:
Originally posted by Marquant Volker
So regarding the flow of time progress (say 1 year in the realms takes 2-3 real world years) it will take 3000 real world years to hear news from him. wow
or he will escape
or the FCRS v.5 will jump 1000 years in the future (rant?)
Cheers!
apart from the recent hundred year jump i thought the realms years ran concurrently with earths. |
| Marquant Volker |
Posted - 14 Apr 2009 : 09:40:38
So regarding the flow of time progress (say 1 year in the realms takes 2-3 real world years) it will take 3000 real world years to hear news from him. wow
or he will escape
or the FCRS v.5 will jump 1000 years in the future (rant?)
Cheers! |
| Ashe Ravenheart |
Posted - 13 Apr 2009 : 16:27:25
Don't know. He's locked in his throne for 1000 years after the Spellplague incident. |
| swifty |
Posted - 13 Apr 2009 : 16:19:46
getting back to cyric.is he still insane or is he back to normal.well as normal as its possible to be when your a god. |
| skychrome |
Posted - 13 Apr 2009 : 15:44:56
Well, actuall I just finished re-reading the Erevis Cale trilogy and Cale and Riven themselves talk about Mask having planed the theft of the temple. However I never understood how, because The Sojourner aparently was not influenced by Mask. 
The only option I see is, that Mask wanted them to capture the tower lateron... |
| IngoDjan |
Posted - 11 Apr 2009 : 06:01:38
Kymil has his objectives, gain access to Evermeet. But the way of achieving it was amazing. Itīs a brilliant plan of not so creative objective. The opposite as far as I know, of Sojourner history, that has a creative, surprising objectives, but not so creative way of achieving.
Kymilīs plan was: (SPOILER - Highlight)
Training Arylin as an assassin, gain control of her with his elfshadow, make her killing harpers to with that, his father, a harper defensor who has the moonstone that control a gate of Evermeet, go after her, joining the moonblade of Arylin and the moonstone that belong to the sword. |
| IngoDjan |
Posted - 11 Apr 2009 : 05:50:07
Someone can describe with details the plan of the Sojouner? Because with the information that I read in this post, he has the most curious objective, but I donīt know his plans. Was his plan really smart and creative? How it was? |
| skychrome |
Posted - 11 Apr 2009 : 04:42:09
quote:
Originally posted by SeeDiGi
I think Mask manipulating things to steal Cyric's temple was amazingly evil and cunning.
Hm, honestly I did not understand this part. The Sojourner stole Cyrics temple and he definitely was not influenced by Mask...
Please explain, I really missed out where Mask had his part in this except for his Chosen capturing the temple later from the Sojourner.
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| Arion Elenim |
Posted - 11 Apr 2009 : 02:20:26
quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
quote:
Originally posted by Arion Elenim
Once Bane was resurrected, it kinda seemed like the church accomplished almost nothing in 10 years of 3rd edition...I mean, they did take the Black Network back, but that's king of just getting back to zero.
Am I missing something?
The supposed plot is Bane having arranged for his resurrection. I say "supposed" because we don't have enough information to make any kind of judgement on this -- as I said, his resurrection could have been a deliberate plan, a happy accident, or a scam perpetrated by Xvim to steal papa B's followers.
Sure, but then after that went down, I think we all just got really caught up with the Shades...the CofB kinda went by the wayside. This could really be an argument against Bane's continuance into 4th ed... |
| Ashe Ravenheart |
Posted - 10 Apr 2009 : 15:00:17
I find that if I let it go, it will usually give me a timeout error message. After getting the message, I go back to the scroll and it posted fine. |
| The Sage |
Posted - 10 Apr 2009 : 14:52:24
It's not your fault swifty. It's a consequence of the ASP scripting errors which are once again plaguing Candlekeep. [I must've left the gremlin cage unlocked again.  ]
Rest assured, your post does register the first time, even after the error. It's just usually not updated to the Forum tables because of the errors. But if you check the scroll itself, you'll see your post has been logged. |
| swifty |
Posted - 10 Apr 2009 : 13:53:59
sorry bout the double posting.its happened twice now.it takes too long to register the post so i press post reply again and it posts twice.any suggestions? |
| swifty |
Posted - 10 Apr 2009 : 13:48:38
quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
quote:
Originally posted by sfdragon
ah but if he told the truth would he loose his liars domain??
No. He's free to tell the truth as much as he wants. His job is to promote his portfolios, but that doesn't mean that he personally has to stick to it 24/10.
24/10.took me a couple of moments to figure that one.always forget they use tendays and not weeks. |
| SeeDiGi |
Posted - 10 Apr 2009 : 04:44:32
I think Mask manipulating things to steal Cyric's temple was amazingly evil and cunning. |
| Rinonalyrna Fathomlin |
Posted - 07 Apr 2009 : 14:01:00
Well put, Icelander. |
| Icelander |
Posted - 07 Apr 2009 : 05:21:54
quote:
Originally posted by Arion Elenim
The gray world is so much more fun to play in. We need more heroes like Erevis - more Heathcliffs in the Realms, less Aragorns. :D
I've got to stop you there.
I know generations of... less than attentive readers have insisted that Heathcliff was a darkly romantic Byronic hero. But he isn't. Not really. It's a clear case of the Draco in Leather Pants. He's a person, sure. He's tragic and perhaps someone can find it in him to sympathise with him. But a hero?
Think about what he does in the novel. Is any of it heroic? Callous, yes. Vengeful, certainly. But how is it heroic?
Emily Bronte wrote him as a deconstruction of the Gothic Romance Dark Hero with a Heart of Gold. He's not Mr. Darcy or even Mr. Rochester, he's not redeemed by the love of a good woman and he's not just a misunderstood and tragic figure.
A compelling character? Sure. But that doesn't make him a hero.
For that matter, Aragorn isn't a good example of a single-dimensional hero. We don't see him on the archtypical heroic journey and fighting on the side of the undead isn't exactly Mr. Clean-Cut.
Perhaps you should have said 'more Lord Byron in the Realm and less Luke Skywalker'?
I could get behind that for a story or two, sure, but I think that variety is the spice of life. The real world doesn't have all that many Byronic Gothic Romance heroes, but it does have a few clean-cut people who believe in a noble-sounding cause with all their hearts. What we think of them depends on what we think of their causes, but there's no denying that they are really there.
More than that, though, there's also a wide selection of people who are neither hero, villain nor romantic geniuses with dark moody looks. And these can be interesting too. Fiction shouldn't really be less varied than reality, it should be more varied. Because we have all of reality and all of imagination to call on. |
| Faraer |
Posted - 05 Apr 2009 : 00:59:17
Having to lie every single time would rather limit one's powers of deception! |
| The Sage |
Posted - 05 Apr 2009 : 00:39:50
quote:
Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
quote:
Originally posted by sfdragon
ah but if he told the truth would he loose his liars domain??
No. He's free to tell the truth as much as he wants. His job is to promote his portfolios, but that doesn't mean that he personally has to stick to it 24/10.
Also, the best lies have some element of truth in them (and therefore, are easier to believe).
In almost all-things, Cyric is like the Elam Garak -- "Never tell the truth when a lie will do."
But in the instance of killing Mystra, there isn't much reason for him to lie. Embellish maybe, but I think he'd want the rest of the pantheon to know that he "killed" the Goddess of Mysteries. But concerning Shar's involvement... it's probably something that would conveniently slip his mind.
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| Rinonalyrna Fathomlin |
Posted - 04 Apr 2009 : 23:58:30
quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
quote:
Originally posted by sfdragon
ah but if he told the truth would he loose his liars domain??
No. He's free to tell the truth as much as he wants. His job is to promote his portfolios, but that doesn't mean that he personally has to stick to it 24/10.
Also, the best lies have some element of truth in them (and therefore, are easier to believe). |
| IngoDjan |
Posted - 04 Apr 2009 : 23:36:21
And Bane's plot in Time of Troubles are one of most stupid plan I ever heard. |
| IngoDjan |
Posted - 04 Apr 2009 : 17:15:10
There's so many minds we cannot understand, that I woulndn't say that Cyric not lied. |
| The Sage |
Posted - 04 Apr 2009 : 15:24:44
quote:
Originally posted by sfdragon
ah but if he told the truth would he loose his liars domain??
Not really. While lying is a big part of Cyric's nature... it isn't his entire personality. And, besides, as I said above, given the level of hatred Cyric's carried for Midnight/Mystra, I doubt this is something he'd lie about.
In fact, I'd imagine he enjoyed a significant degree of pleasure and satisfaction after her demise. He'd want to boast about it. |
| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 04 Apr 2009 : 14:23:59
quote:
Originally posted by sfdragon
ah but if he told the truth would he loose his liars domain??
No. He's free to tell the truth as much as he wants. His job is to promote his portfolios, but that doesn't mean that he personally has to stick to it 24/10. |
| sfdragon |
Posted - 04 Apr 2009 : 10:49:56
ah but if he told the truth would he loose his liars domain?? |
| The Sage |
Posted - 04 Apr 2009 : 08:54:58
quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
quote:
Originally posted by sfdragon
did Cyric *Murder* Mystra or did Cyric *Lie* about it??
Considering that she's dead and many bad things happened, I think he's telling the truth.
Indeed. And considering the past enmity between them both, I don't think this is something Cyric would actually lie about. He's been waiting for this a long time.
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| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 04 Apr 2009 : 06:50:39
quote:
Originally posted by sfdragon
did Cyric *Murder* Mystra or did Cyric *Lie* about it??
Considering that she's dead and many bad things happened, I think he's telling the truth. |
| sfdragon |
Posted - 04 Apr 2009 : 05:21:37
did Cyric *Murder* Mystra or did Cyric *Lie* about it?? |
| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 04 Apr 2009 : 02:36:00
quote:
Originally posted by Arion Elenim
Once Bane was resurrected, it kinda seemed like the church accomplished almost nothing in 10 years of 3rd edition...I mean, they did take the Black Network back, but that's king of just getting back to zero.
Am I missing something?
The supposed plot is Bane having arranged for his resurrection. I say "supposed" because we don't have enough information to make any kind of judgement on this -- as I said, his resurrection could have been a deliberate plan, a happy accident, or a scam perpetrated by Xvim to steal papa B's followers. |
| Arion Elenim |
Posted - 04 Apr 2009 : 01:39:04
Once Bane was resurrected, it kinda seemed like the church accomplished almost nothing in 10 years of 3rd edition...I mean, they did take the Black Network back, but that's king of just getting back to zero.
Am I missing something? |
