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| Mournblade |
Posted - 24 Jul 2003 : 23:30:41
I am a little confused on the Dark Elf Bards in the Novels. Hallistra is obviously a bard, but they call her songs bae'qeshel songs. Then in Windwalker there was a cool character whose name escapes me that was a Deathsinger. At FIRST I thought the Death Singer was the Dark elf version of a BLADE singer. Now I am not sure. Is a Death singer just a Drow Bard? If so, then what is the bae'qeshel? Are they the same. OR IS the Death singer a blade singer? Does anyone have any information on Deathsingers? Or just information flying around the ether somewhere on Dark Elf bards?
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| Ponfyr |
Posted - 23 Jan 2004 : 22:27:43
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The latest book in War of the Spider Queen Book IV has Hallistra abandoning Lloth as a High Priestess and becoming a Priestess of Eilistraee. However she keeps her song abilities. Often the author interchanges the word "Bae'qeshel" and "Darksong.” Perhaps Bae'qeshel is Darksong in Drow language.
In the earlier books Lloth is “missing” or refuses to answer. This precludes the power coming from or being granted by Lloth as she does not or hasn’t been answering prayers. Her explanation is that a select order of High Priestess from her house is chosen to be Bae'qeshel trained by a master. “…to sing the praises to the Dark Mother.” She mentioned others in her family and she bragged she was chosen over two older sisters. It seemed to appease Quenthel, the head mistress of Arach-Tinilith.
I am ¾ of the way through this last book and I now firmly believe that Hallistra is, although rare, an Drow - Cleric/Bard fully evil and in Lloth''s good graces (prior to Book IV in any event).
Why should a Bard have thief abilities it not a tendency towards evil. I think it makes perfect sence as well.
In a mud I write (program) for we are argueing this very point.
P: A Evil Bard (Any non Lawful Alignment) should exist and much more than that we should allow Drow to Join that guild. (We havent in the past)
c: The basic tentents of a musicical bard would rule out one with pure malice in his/her heart. "Evil can't sing." (Quote from Drizzt)
"The Nazgul were they, the Ringwraiths, the Enemy's most terrible servants; darkness went with them, and they cried with the voices of death." The Silmarillion: "Of the Rings of Power and the Third Age," p. 289
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| Mythander |
Posted - 29 Jul 2003 : 15:07:56
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Originally posted by Zacas
During Condemnation Hallistra said that they were the songs of Lloth but not divine like clerical abilities... therefore they still work... to me i'm thinking they just SAY they're songs of Lloth to disguise them and make other priestesses 'accept' them... i'm thinking they're really a bard, but they try to pass themselves as priestesses of Lloth that sing magical songs of Lloth's glory... but that's just my thoughts...
Agreed, that seems to be the only explanation. It is like if a Bard only sang songs about Ohgma. He would still be a Bard and not a Cleric |
| The Sage |
Posted - 29 Jul 2003 : 06:37:55
Thanks, I appreciate it. I'd look myself, but I don't have access to my books at the moment.
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| Mournblade |
Posted - 29 Jul 2003 : 06:34:34
HAH HAH! ARRRGHHHH!!! I should of noted the page. But I didn't. NOw I can't remember whether it was in Insurrection or condemnation. I'll look again.
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| The Sage |
Posted - 29 Jul 2003 : 06:25:53
Do you have a page number for that particular section Mournblade?. I am curious about this now, since you have brought this topic up.
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| Mournblade |
Posted - 29 Jul 2003 : 06:03:18
Right! I remember that now! I reread it and I really think you are correct, Hallistra is just saying that for acceptance. I htink she really IS a bard. Now for the deathsinger...
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| Zacas |
Posted - 29 Jul 2003 : 02:40:32
During Condemnation Hallistra said that they were the songs of Lloth but not divine like clerical abilities... therefore they still work... to me i'm thinking they just SAY they're songs of Lloth to disguise them and make other priestesses 'accept' them... i'm thinking they're really a bard, but they try to pass themselves as priestesses of Lloth that sing magical songs of Lloth's glory... but that's just my thoughts... |
| Mournblade |
Posted - 28 Jul 2003 : 22:09:48
I really don't remember reading anywhere that the Bae' qeshel songs are lloth powered. If I could get information, it would help me make a determination:)
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| Mythander |
Posted - 28 Jul 2003 : 21:45:59
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Originally posted by Nakil Delquion
Keep in mind Mournblade that the bae'qeshel songs are merely songs that carry the power of Lloth. The bae'qeshel is related directly to that fell goddess, and so is more of a priest kit, than a bard class.
If that is true then why were bae'qeshel songs used in the WOTSQ books? In those books, as I understand it Lloth has no power. They use it for healing replacing clerical healing. If the 2 are linked the how can one work and the other not? |
| The Sage |
Posted - 28 Jul 2003 : 02:29:20
Actually I would like to know as well. It sounds familiar, as though I have only just read it from somewhere, but I can't remember the name of the tome.
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| Mournblade |
Posted - 27 Jul 2003 : 20:33:50
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Originally posted by Nakil Delquion
Keep in mind Mournblade that the bae'qeshel songs are merely songs that carry the power of Lloth. The bae'qeshel is related directly to that fell goddess, and so is more of a priest kit, than a bard class.
Also, the deathsingers are indeed the drow form a a bard. Their mission is to write songs about intrigue, viscious deaths, et cetera. And if the area is sickeningly calm, the deathsinger's mission is to create as much havoc as possible so that there is something to sing about.
Thanks alot Nakil. Where did you find this information? Also from the book it really did seem like Hallistra was using some sort of Bard song. They really have her set up as being a bard. Can you tell me where you got this information. THis is just the stuff I was looking for. thank you.
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| Nakil Delquion |
Posted - 27 Jul 2003 : 19:48:41
Keep in mind Mournblade that the bae'qeshel songs are merely songs that carry the power of Lloth. The bae'qeshel is related directly to that fell goddess, and so is more of a priest kit, than a bard class.
Also, the deathsingers are indeed the drow form a a bard. Their mission is to write songs about intrigue, viscious deaths, et cetera. And if the area is sickeningly calm, the deathsinger's mission is to create as much havoc as possible so that there is something to sing about. |
| Mournblade |
Posted - 27 Jul 2003 : 18:43:54
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Originally posted by Sage of Perth
I may have found some more information for you Mournblade. I am currently awaiting a email reply from a friend in England who has his own Dark Elf FR site running, and has always been a fountain of information on all things Dark Elf. I am hoping he has something to say about this.
Either way, I'll let you know.
Thank you sage! EGGcellent
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| The Sage |
Posted - 27 Jul 2003 : 03:11:46
I may have found some more information for you Mournblade. I am currently awaiting a email reply from a friend in England who has his own Dark Elf FR site running, and has always been a fountain of information on all things Dark Elf. I am hoping he has something to say about this.
Either way, I'll let you know.
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| Mournblade |
Posted - 26 Jul 2003 : 20:42:00
I got the feeling they were bards as well. I wish I knew though if the Death singer was the name for a DARK ELF BARD, or a TYPE of dark elf bard.
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| Mythander |
Posted - 25 Jul 2003 : 15:34:06
I think that they are Bards. Having played both Bard and Bladesinger I know this. A Bladesinger does not receive healing spell as where Bards do. Also Bladesingers need to have a sword in their hand to cast a spell, neither of the Drow you are speaking of had weapons read at the time of casting. |
| Mournblade |
Posted - 25 Jul 2003 : 07:08:16
Sage thanks a bunch!!!! That was something like I was looking for. Not sure yet if I will use it but I threw it in my game file for analysis . IN anycase Iwas going to make a deathsinger PrC when I got some opinions or information from the scribes here, but it looks like I may have some work saved if I do decide to create/use it.
any more information would be grandly welcomed!
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| The Sage |
Posted - 25 Jul 2003 : 04:33:03
Mournblade I have a few bookmarks that I will check when I get home. However when I was thinking about something similar to this a while ago (but for entirely different reasons), I found this. I don't know whether it will be any help, but it should be something for you to read until I can get at my bookmarks.
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