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| Brynweir |
Posted - 24 May 2003 : 03:02:55
I am looking for information about Loviatar. Specifically her priests or priestesses and any schemes within the temple of Loviatar. Does anyone know of any current plots causing conflict among the worshippers of Loviatar? |
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| The Sage |
Posted - 05 May 2006 : 01:09:10
quote:
Originally posted by spooke
quote:
Originally posted by George Krashos
You can't limit yourself to the published sources! You should be obsessive like me and have photocopies of all FR dragon and Polyhedron articles in collected 3-ring binders for easy reference. You'd be amazed at all the good stuff there is out there.
-- George Krashos
Holy poop, you have the Polyhedron articles? I live in Denmark, and it's impossible to find them here. Could I ask you to email me a copy of the Moonsea articles? I would really, really appreciate it. Please? If it would be all right, I can give you the issue numbers.
- spooke
Have you considered purchasing them from an online source -- paizo.com for example?
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| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 05 May 2006 : 00:22:14
quote:
Originally posted by spooke
quote:
Originally posted by George Krashos
You can't limit yourself to the published sources! You should be obsessive like me and have photocopies of all FR dragon and Polyhedron articles in collected 3-ring binders for easy reference. You'd be amazed at all the good stuff there is out there.
-- George Krashos
Holy poop, you have the Polyhedron articles? I live in Denmark, and it's impossible to find them here. Could I ask you to email me a copy of the Moonsea articles? I would really, really appreciate it. Please? If it would be all right, I can give you the issue numbers.
- spooke
Actually, that would likely be a copyright infringement. It's kinda frowned upon, especially by lawyers -- and Krash is a lawyer (but we don't hold that against him!  ). |
| spooke |
Posted - 04 May 2006 : 22:43:52
quote:
Originally posted by George Krashos
You can't limit yourself to the published sources! You should be obsessive like me and have photocopies of all FR dragon and Polyhedron articles in collected 3-ring binders for easy reference. You'd be amazed at all the good stuff there is out there.
-- George Krashos
Holy poop, you have the Polyhedron articles? I live in Denmark, and it's impossible to find them here. Could I ask you to email me a copy of the Moonsea articles? I would really, really appreciate it. Please? If it would be all right, I can give you the issue numbers.
- spooke |
| Garen Thal |
Posted - 24 Jun 2003 : 17:02:08
I will note, for the record, that most of my books aren't dog-eared. Most of my books, however, are also not used as references for my own research on the Realms. Those that are are gladly sacrificed on the high altar of Realmslore.
So long as it's in paperback, that is... |
| The Sage |
Posted - 23 Jun 2003 : 08:52:36
I don't think I possess one FR accessory or novel, that doesn't have at least one dog-eared page. It is normally the first stage in my 'useful-tidbits-to-steal-for-my-campaign' process. It also helps to mark out relevant sections of text to forge some really great homebrew FR material.
May all your learning be free and unfettered
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| Bookwyrm |
Posted - 23 Jun 2003 : 07:26:14
Glad I'm not the only one here who dog-ears his books. Of course, I haven't done them for the Forgotten Realms, but I probably do it too much. |
| Garen Thal |
Posted - 23 Jun 2003 : 05:32:45
quote:
Originally posted by Sage of Perth
Impressive.
Oh...and 'Welcome to Candlekeep'
Thanks for the welcome!
This particular work isn't all that impressive; this is just a listing of dates. The real work is when you start dog-earing your copies of well-written novels and underlining text in order to research them and find out where to place them in works of Realmslore. What's truly impressive is the vast amount of information that's contained in the works of people like Ed Greenwood, who is a master of both inclusion and concealment, giving us just thread enough to pull on. You'd be surprised just how much you can invent with just a little bit of Ed and only slightly more imagination. |
| The Sage |
Posted - 22 Jun 2003 : 10:09:12
Impressive.
Oh...and 'Welcome to Candlekeep'
Good learning...
- The Sage of Perth: For all your Realms Lore needs
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| Garen Thal |
Posted - 22 Jun 2003 : 09:25:05
As one of the people that did some tinkering on the Lineage of Cormyr, I can say that the utmost care went into making sure it didn't conflict, in any way, with any published materials considered to be "canon;" part of the redaction was to make sure that all sources were consistent with one another, and that even suggestions from published sources found their way into the document in one way or another.
As an example, here's a bit of how we built upon things. From already existing official Realmslore, here's George's list again, but with dates provided for some of the reigns.
26 to ??? Faerlthann
Imlon "the Touched"
Bryndar
Eskrius
Rhiiman "the Glorious"
Embrus "the Old"
Kaspler "the Learned"
Imbre
Sacrast
Daravvan
Dorglor
Embrold
Irbruin
Moriann
Tharyann "the Elder"
??? to 242 Boldovar "the Mad"
242 to 245 Iltharl "the Insufficient"
245 to ??? Gantharla*
Roderin "the Bastard"
Thargreve "the Lesser"
Holordrym
Belereve
Thargram
Besmra*
Torst
Gordroun
Keldroun
Berost "the Bold"
Gorann
Edrae "the Doomed Babe"
Ulbaeram
Silbran
Raerboth
Baerildo
Belmuth "the Bastard"
Sargrannon
Ortolar
Imbrus
Artreth
Zoumdan
Imbrus II
Meurthe "Mad Meurthe"*
Kasplara*
Jasl "the Royal Jester"
Arathra "the Little Spider"*
Barander "the Tortured King", "the Scarred Advisor"
Thargreve "the Greater", "the Peacebringer"
Jarissra*
Andilber "the Unfortunate"
c 376 to at least 389 Anglond (his son, Azoun, was still Crown Prince in
389; see Sea of Fallen Stars)
Azoun I "the Crown Prince of Battles"
From before 429 to 480 Duar "Longyears"
Galaghard I
Galaghard II "Father of the Dark Princes"
c 629 Draxius "the Neverdying"
Bryntarth I
c 900 Galaghard III
Rhiigard "the Mourning King" [Rhigaerd I]
Bryntarth II
c 1018 Arangor
Azoun II
Proster
Baerovus
Palaghard I
1187 to 1210 Pryntaler
1210 to 1227 Dhalmass
1227 to 1261 Palaghard II
1261 to 1277 Azoun III (note that the 1st Edition Boxed Set has Azoun III
dying in 1275 DR, but the later Cormyr: A Novel has him dying in 1277, "nine years ago" in Chapter 28)
1277 to 1286 Salember "the Rebel Prince" (remember, this one was a regent
that styled himself a king)
(1277 on) 1286 to 1336 Rhigaerd II [He had to wrest the throne from his uncle]
1336 to 1371 Azoun IV
1371 to present Azoun V
This will give you all some idea of where to place things chronologically. After all, it always sounds better to your players that a legendary sword was "forged in the Year of the Pacifist, during the reign of King Anglond of Cormyr," than to say "the sword is a thousand years old," doesn't it?
[By the way, this is my first post on the boards, so "hey! Great to be here," and all that. ] |
| branmakmuffin |
Posted - 09 Jun 2003 : 15:43:22
Whether used in a campaing directly ("Azoun V must die, and I want you to do it!") or in passing ("The 12th king of Cormyr? Embrold, doncha know. Where's my ale?), it helps give more depth to the world, even if players aren't going to remember it next week. |
| The Sage |
Posted - 09 Jun 2003 : 06:02:25
This is great, thanks George.
I can't wait to make use of this information in my campaigns...somehow, but I'll think of something .
May your learning be free and unfettered
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| George Krashos |
Posted - 09 Jun 2003 : 04:54:34
Let me put it this way. From a strict WotC point of view, the Cormyr Lineage I have on my hard drive is just fan-based fluff. However, if Ed or Eric ever write or have a hand/say in an official Cormyr product then you can be guaranteed it will shape their writing if not incorporated lock, stock.
Ed loves it when someone sends him new realmslore. His comment is usually along the lines of, "Bravo! My deepest thanks. Let's consider this 'official' - I will." In other words, if it's good realmslore he'll use it when and if the need arises. He's a very busy man, as is Eric. If someone else can come up with material to fill in the gaps, then great....
As for the lineage, I would hope that if WotC did a "Cormyr" supplement, then it would be released as some sort of web enhancement. But as I just posted this to the Realms-L because Bryon Wischstadt's "Realmspeak" site is down, here is a list of the Cormyrean monarchs. Enjoy. Oh, and queens have an *.
Faerlthann
Imlon "the Touched"
Bryndar
Eskrius
Rhiiman "the Glorious"
Embrus "the Old"
Kaspler "the Learned"
Imbre
Sacrast
Daravvan
Dorglor
Embrold
Irbruin
Moriann
Tharyann "the Elder"
Boldovar "the Mad"
Iltharl "the Insufficient"
Gantharla*
Roderin "the Bastard"
Thargreve "the Lesser"
Holordrym
Belereve
Thargram
Besmra*
Torst
Gordroun
Keldroun
Berost "the Bold"
Gorann
Edrae "the Doomed Babe"
Ulbaeram
Silbran
Raerboth
Baerildo
Belmuth "the Bastard"
Sargrannon
Ortolar
Imbrus
Artreth
Zoumdan
Imbrus II
Meurthe "Mad Meurthe"*
Kasplara*
Jasl "the Royal Jester"
Arathra "the Little Spider"*
Barander "the Tortured King", "the Scarred Advisor"
Thargreve "the Greater", "the Peacebringer"
Jarissra*
Andilber "the Unfortunate"
Anglond
Azoun I "the Crown Prince of Battles"
Duar "Longyears"
Galaghard I
Galaghard II "Father of the Dark Princes"
Draxius "the Neverdying"
Bryntarth I
Galaghard III
Rhiigard "the Mourning King" [Rhigaerd I]
Bryntarth II
Arangor
Azoun II
Proster
Baerovus
Palaghard I
Pryntaler
Dhalmass
Palaghard II
Azoun III
Salember "the Rebel Prince"
Rhigaerd II
Azoun IV
Azoun V
Please note that due to unfortunate domestic circumstances, the line of
kings from Gorann through to Thargreve "the Greater" has many short reigning
monarchs. Similarly, the rule period of Draxius was a very, very long one
due to the king's use of longevity magics (provided to him, some say, by his
lover the Royal Wizard Amedahast ... ).
-- George Krashos
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| branmakmuffin |
Posted - 08 Jun 2003 : 21:47:43
Faraer:
quote:
<snip> And then, what's more authoritative, work sanctioned by Ed and worked on by loving hands, or a hypothetical partial lineage made up by one of the current Wizards guys to meet a deadline? Easy decision for me.
It matters little to me as well if it's official or not. I make no assumptions about quality of material, or call into question any given writer's ability to produce quality material, I ask because I am curious. |
| Bookwyrm |
Posted - 08 Jun 2003 : 19:11:29
At the rate things are going, they aren't going to ask for that sort of stuff. Where's the krunch in that?  |
| Faraer |
Posted - 08 Jun 2003 : 15:55:05
If Wizards game designers need information on Cormyte royalty, there's a good chance they'll refer to Ed or Eric or George, and some of this document will get into print (some of it is already from published sources). It's unlikely the current game department will want to give XX pages of a book to history, hence the possibility of free distribution or publication on wizards.com. Right?
And then, what's more authoritative, work sanctioned by Ed and worked on by loving hands, or a hypothetical partial lineage made up by one of the current Wizards guys to meet a deadline? Easy decision for me. |
| branmakmuffin |
Posted - 08 Jun 2003 : 06:54:34
George Krashos:
quote:
It's not a question of legality or effort. If it was my work alone and was completed, I'd be handing it out tomorrow. Four or five individuals have had a hand in the Cormyr Lineage, including Ed (of course, he gave us the base notes). When all of those individuals agree that it is 'done' and then agree on how the document should see the light of day, then I can give it out. Otherwise, I'm running the risk of stepping on toes - which I definitely don't want to do.
So this is unofficial material produced by people who also produce official material. I guess if I had paid more attention to your previous post I would have realized that.
Can we gather that if at some point you at least are willing to some number of copies of it away, it's never going to become "official"? If so, that would seem to imply there's never going to be a canonical Complete Lineage of Cormyr.
I may be reading too much into this. |
| George Krashos |
Posted - 08 Jun 2003 : 03:39:57
It's not a question of legality or effort. If it was my work alone and was completed, I'd be handing it out tomorrow. Four or five individuals have had a hand in the Cormyr Lineage, including Ed (of course, he gave us the base notes). When all of those individuals agree that it is 'done' and then agree on how the document should see the light of day, then I can give it out. Otherwise, I'm running the risk of stepping on toes - which I definitely don't want to do.
-- George Krashos
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| branmakmuffin |
Posted - 08 Jun 2003 : 03:35:18
George Krashos:
quote:
I have quite a bit of 'unofficial' material on my PC but little of it is solely mine. That's why I can't just mass e-mail it out. At the moment a group of 'us' are tidying up a complete lineage of Cormyr. That's pretty close to being 'done. As for getting it out there, I'm not sure how that's going to happen. If I can send it out to worthies of these Message Boards, rest assured I'll do so.
"Can" as in "legally allowed to do so" or as in "take the effort to do so"? I'm just curious, not criticizing. |
| Faraer |
Posted - 08 Jun 2003 : 03:21:54
Bookwyrm, these are highlights from the pre-3E products you don't list:
Forgotten Realms Campaign Set (1987)
Empires of the Shining Sea
Ruins of Zhentil Keep
Forgotten Realms Adventures
The Seven Sisters
Pages from the Mages
Prayers from the Faithful
Secrets of the Magister
Cloak & Dagger
the other three Volo's Guides (the Waterdeep one barely overlaps with City of Splendors)
FR4 The Magister
FR11 Dwarves Deep
FR13 Anauroch
FOR2 The Drow of the Underdark
FRE2 Tantras
FRE3 Waterdeep
FA1 Halls of the High King
FRQ1 Haunted Halls of Eveningstar
GAZ8 The Five Shires
I tried to compile the Realms articles from the Dragon Magazine Archive pdfs into a single document with Acrobat, but there were problems with duplicated embedded font names. You can work around by converting back to postscript and rebuilding the pdfs without embedded fonts, but it's too much hassle without knowing what I'm doing.
George, email me if you want any help with the Cormyr lineage. Not that I have any special knowledge of Cormyr, but I'm a professional copyeditor.
Anyone can publish nominally generic rules pieces that are no more likely to fit campaign X than a Realms or Greyhawk article, but only Wizards owns the rights to its settings. If Paizo can't turn good Realms material into money, they're incompetent. |
| Bookwyrm |
Posted - 08 Jun 2003 : 02:21:48
That's not a problem, that's an asset! They're the problems.
Mournblade, how about you mail 'em a grenade of stupid-people repulsion? |
| George Krashos |
Posted - 08 Jun 2003 : 02:04:56
I have quite a bit of 'unofficial' material on my PC but little of it is solely mine. That's why I can't just mass e-mail it out. At the moment a group of 'us' are tidying up a complete lineage of Cormyr. That's pretty close to being 'done. As for getting it out there, I'm not sure how that's going to happen. If I can send it out to worthies of these Message Boards, rest assured I'll do so.
Also, I've written and will be sending off to the USA a sequel to my article on magical swords of Impiltur that was published in Dragon #277. If that gets published, it will contain quite a bit of historical background on the region. Eric Boyd has also written up about 3 articles that I know of which he intends to try and get published. One also deals with Impiltur and the UE, the other with the North and another with reference to the LOI.
The problem is, both Eric and I write fluff heavy articles with good crunch but not a heap of it. I understand that these aren't in Dragon's preferred style. Of course they make for great FR reading but then you always get the anti-Realmsians who write in to Dragon and say "No more FR articles! I don't game in FR. They are useless to me!" etc. etc. Makes it kinda hard to get published. Ed's told me that the editors grab their red pens and sigh when he submits stuff ....
-- George Krashos
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| The Sage |
Posted - 07 Jun 2003 : 10:38:30
I am currently in the process of converting alot of the information to PDF format. It just takes a long time to make the material presentable, and remove the short-hand notes scribbled everywhere that only I would understand.
I will be releasing a PDF shortly about some background material I created during the Elven Crown Wars.
Watch for it .
May your learning be free and unfettered
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| Bookwyrm |
Posted - 07 Jun 2003 : 10:07:49
quote:
Originally posted by George Krashos
You can't limit yourself to the published sources! You should be obsessive like me and have photocopies of all FR dragon and Polyhedron articles in collected 3-ring binders for easy reference. You'd be amazed at all the good stuff there is out there.
-- George Krashos
Um . . . *ahem* Aren't those 'published' as well?
Sage, you ought to spread the knowledge. I'm sure at least one Library on the web would love to shelve some of your information . . . .
(And besides, Alaundo keeps coming in to see how much space I've filled on these shelves in my Senior chamber.  I need some help here!  ) |
| The Sage |
Posted - 07 Jun 2003 : 07:09:26
I do. I have several binders of photocopies, they make for interesting reading, as well as reference for rarely known background material.
Also, I have several notebooks of my own created material based on the deities of the Realms. I like to flesh out more of their particular aspect. For instance, the section on Loviatar, uses alot of information divined from the epic legend of the Finnish tales, as well as combining that information with the Realms deitific representation of Loviatar and creating an entirely new third representation.
May your learning be free and unfettered
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| George Krashos |
Posted - 07 Jun 2003 : 05:05:02
You can't limit yourself to the published sources! You should be obsessive like me and have photocopies of all FR dragon and Polyhedron articles in collected 3-ring binders for easy reference. You'd be amazed at all the good stuff there is out there.
-- George Krashos
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| branmakmuffin |
Posted - 06 Jun 2003 : 22:15:53
Sage of Perth:
quote:
I also forgot to mention the accessory Dwarves Deep, especially if you like the Dwarven race. The fact that it is written by Ed Greenwood, is an extra plus in my opinion.
I also find Dwarves Deep to be a good sourcebook, and like most FR stuff, generic enough, minus geography, to use in other world settings.
I like Dwarves better than Elves.
Damn, this topic went voom away from Loviatar pretty quickly, eh? |
| The Sage |
Posted - 06 Jun 2003 : 12:51:44
You may also find Volo's Guide to Waterdeep, and Volo's Guide to the Sword Coast useful. Although the guide to Waterdeep doesn't really have any information in it that isn't already covered in the City of Splendors Boxed Set, and Waterdeep and the North. In fact I believe alot of it is reprinted material. The Sword Coast guide is probably the more useful in terms of background and game information.
May your learning be free and unfettered
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| Bookwyrm |
Posted - 06 Jun 2003 : 10:02:00
Thanks. I'll try to find those. |
| The Sage |
Posted - 06 Jun 2003 : 09:58:36
I also forgot to mention the accessory Dwarves Deep, especially if you like the Dwarven race. The fact that it is written by Ed Greenwood, is an extra plus in my opinion.
May your learning be free and unfettered
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| The Sage |
Posted - 06 Jun 2003 : 09:56:51
The Cloak and Dagger accessory is an interesting resource, as it details the fascinating city of Westgate. I wholeheartedly recommend this book, especially if you enjoy intrigue and dark doings in the world of FR.
Also, the Spellbound campaign expansion is useful for information on the eastern Realms, especially if you don't have access to Unapproachable East.
Ruins of Zhentil Keep is another fascinating resource that you would do well to try and find. The information contained in this boxed set is definitely enough to keep any fan of the Black Network happy for a long time.
The Kara-Tur campaign expansion is another useful resource especially since you have The Horde, campaign setting. They complement each other nicely.
And finally, Cormyr, Menzoberranzan, Drow of the Underdark/Drizzt Do'Urden's Guide to the Underdark, and the Seven Sisters accessories all contain vital and interesting information that really can't be found anywhere else, except maybe the Cormyr resource.
Hope that helps Bookwyrm,
Good learning...
- The Sage of Perth: For all your Realms Lore needs
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