| T O P I C R E V I E W |
| Hawkins |
Posted - 02 Feb 2012 : 19:04:47
quote:
Originally posted by The Sage
Acolyte -- 0 - 14 [no stars]
Seeker -- 15 - 74 [one purple star]
Learned Scribe -- 75 - 349 [two red stars]
Senior Scribe -- 350 - 999 [three gold stars]
Master of Realmslore -- 1000 - 1999 [four silver stars]
Great Reader -- 2000 -- 9999 [five yellow stars]
Miscellaneous title -- 10000+ [five yellow stars plus unique title of your own choosing]
I always felt that "Great Reader" felt like a "demotion" from "Master of Realmslore," and am seeking a new option to petition the sages most high here at the 'Keep.
Above are the ranks as described by the most learned Sage. Below are a few options that I thought up. Feel free to suggest others and I will try to add them to the poll.
EDIT: Having re-read An Introduction to Candlekeep I have decided to close this poll. |
| 30 L A T E S T R E P L I E S (Newest First) |
| Ayrik |
Posted - 03 Mar 2012 : 17:30:10
The stars are already colour-coded to differentiate positions within the keep, no? Agreed, the introduction of a new colour in to distinguish the most distinguished scribes - such as the Realms Authors and Game Designers and personages like the Lady Herald - wouldn't be remiss. |
| Dennis |
Posted - 02 Mar 2012 : 23:39:19
quote:
Originally posted by Kentinal
Changing stars (if possible) I think might be a better way to go then inventing a new title.
Good point.
I personally would like to see a different star color (and/or number) when a Great Reader reaches 10,000 posts and gets a New, Personalized Title. |
| Dennis |
Posted - 02 Mar 2012 : 23:36:56
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by Dennis
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by Dennis
I see a connection of the Great Ones of Kelewan to the title of Great Reader. A Great One is a magician who is beyond the laws of the land, and is therefore not constrained by it. A Great Reader (IMO) is someone who's read and known things that are beyond what other loremasters have learned, and thus is not limited by any subjects.
Yes, but our Great Readers are still subject to the law of the land -- the Code of Conduct. 
Side note: It took me a while to figure out that "Ichandar, ninety-one times Emperor!" meant he was the 91st Emperor, and not Ichandar XCI. 
Ichandar? Hmm...For some reason I forgot that name. Was he the Emperor that Miranda 'punched'?
He was Emperor of Tsuranuanni during the Riftwar Saga. He was the one who hung the Warlord Almecho, who met with King Lyam in the betrayed peace, and who was killed during the process of Mara revamping Tsurani politics.
We've only had a few Emperors named, but I'm not recalling Miranda punching one... Of course, I'm not as familiar with the later books as I am with the earlier ones.
I see. I can remember only a very few Tsunnari names, Hochopepa being the foremost, and that's only because his name sounds like 'something so green I can't say its English term here.'
Anyway, no, that's not the Emperor I was referring to. The one that Miranda punched, or rather put to sleep, was the young emperor during the attack of the Dreadlord in the Darkwar Saga. |
| Kentinal |
Posted - 28 Feb 2012 : 20:26:02
Jakk maybe you can look at this way, First Reader is restricted to Ed for all reasonable interpretation, IAE there can only be one. Some of the Great Readers, due to their involvement do get unique names. Every special name is for Great Reader, well known, or scribes (Novel, design) that have made special contribution. Big Al is the Keeper, if I recall that title correctly.
Changing stars (if possible) I think might be a better way to go then inventing a new title. |
| Jakk |
Posted - 28 Feb 2012 : 19:31:21
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Originally posted by The Sage
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Originally posted by Jakk
Re: topic: I like leaving the rankings as is, perhaps with the addition of an earlier title change at 5000 posts... not to replace the existing unique title at 10000, but 8000 posts is a long time to go without a promotion, Sage. I would make the 5000+ title "Exarch of Oghma" (with the approval of those already in the 5000-9999 bracket, of course). Just an idea I had; thought I should mention it before forgetting it.
It's a sound idea.
But as it stands, and as we've stated before, the ranking progression of Candlekeep follows what Ed outlined in his "Introduction to Candlekeep." An 'Exarch of Oghma' rank would fall outside that established ranking progression, so unless Ed himself introduces some new rank in that position, it will likely have to stay as is.
I agree that it's outside the established progression... but it's not disrupting the established progression, and by your logic, any title above "Great Reader" would be suspect... or so my reasoning tells me. |
| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 28 Feb 2012 : 04:29:17
quote:
Originally posted by Dennis
quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
quote:
Originally posted by Dennis
I see a connection of the Great Ones of Kelewan to the title of Great Reader. A Great One is a magician who is beyond the laws of the land, and is therefore not constrained by it. A Great Reader (IMO) is someone who's read and known things that are beyond what other loremasters have learned, and thus is not limited by any subjects.
Yes, but our Great Readers are still subject to the law of the land -- the Code of Conduct.
Side note: It took me a while to figure out that "Ichandar, ninety-one times Emperor!" meant he was the 91st Emperor, and not Ichandar XCI.
Ichandar? Hmm...For some reason I forgot that name. Was he the Emperor that Miranda 'punched'?
He was Emperor of Tsuranuanni during the Riftwar Saga. He was the one who hung the Warlord Almecho, who met with King Lyam in the betrayed peace, and who was killed during the process of Mara revamping Tsurani politics.
We've only had a few Emperors named, but I'm not recalling Miranda punching one... Of course, I'm not as familiar with the later books as I am with the earlier ones. |
| Dennis |
Posted - 28 Feb 2012 : 00:32:59
quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
quote:
Originally posted by Dennis
I see a connection of the Great Ones of Kelewan to the title of Great Reader. A Great One is a magician who is beyond the laws of the land, and is therefore not constrained by it. A Great Reader (IMO) is someone who's read and known things that are beyond what other loremasters have learned, and thus is not limited by any subjects.
Yes, but our Great Readers are still subject to the law of the land -- the Code of Conduct.
Side note: It took me a while to figure out that "Ichandar, ninety-one times Emperor!" meant he was the 91st Emperor, and not Ichandar XCI.
Ichandar? Hmm...For some reason I forgot that name. Was he the Emperor that Miranda 'punched'? |
| Hawkins |
Posted - 27 Feb 2012 : 18:19:24
What about a unique title at 5K instead of 10k? |
| Kentinal |
Posted - 27 Feb 2012 : 04:51:34
Hmm, more stars without name change might be possible, depending on how close name level associated with the stars. Also maybe possible to change color of stars based on post count.
Maybe something like Great reader on reaching 5,000 the stars turn from yellow to blue?
Not sure if coding flexible enough for the idea, however might be something to consider. |
| The Sage |
Posted - 27 Feb 2012 : 04:05:56
quote:
Originally posted by Jakk
Re: topic: I like leaving the rankings as is, perhaps with the addition of an earlier title change at 5000 posts... not to replace the existing unique title at 10000, but 8000 posts is a long time to go without a promotion, Sage. I would make the 5000+ title "Exarch of Oghma" (with the approval of those already in the 5000-9999 bracket, of course). Just an idea I had; thought I should mention it before forgetting it.
It's a sound idea.
But as it stands, and as we've stated before, the ranking progression of Candlekeep follows what Ed outlined in his "Introduction to Candlekeep." An 'Exarch of Oghma' rank would fall outside that established ranking progression, so unless Ed himself introduces some new rank in that position, it will likely have to stay as is. |
| Jakk |
Posted - 27 Feb 2012 : 03:57:35
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Originally posted by Ayrik
Ayrik's Candlekeep motto: Speak no evil, do not feed the trolls, and consider it not so deeply.
And a good motto it is, Ayrik. |
| Jakk |
Posted - 27 Feb 2012 : 03:55:59
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Originally posted by Jorkens
Nah, that would just give a couple of people more reason to include me in their whining (Brimstone is not included among them for the record)even if I myself have no problem with the term. I am trying to get into Candlekeep again without having an urge to strangle someone through the keyboard or turning into a pain myself so the less cause for me to get into arguments the better.
Good logic. I've been doing the same since my return; so far, so good.
Re: topic: I like leaving the rankings as is, perhaps with the addition of an earlier title change at 5000 posts... not to replace the existing unique title at 10000, but 8000 posts is a long time to go without a promotion, Sage. I would make the 5000+ title "Exarch of Oghma" (with the approval of those already in the 5000-9999 bracket, of course). Just an idea I had; thought I should mention it before forgetting it.
Edit: Oh, and six stars for "Exarch of Oghma" and seven stars for the unique title; there seems to be enough room for that, and I'll leave colour choice up to others. Stopping at five stars seems too RW for me, and seven is a good Realmsian number. |
| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 13 Feb 2012 : 01:26:29
quote:
Originally posted by Dennis
I see a connection of the Great Ones of Kelewan to the title of Great Reader. A Great One is a magician who is beyond the laws of the land, and is therefore not constrained by it. A Great Reader (IMO) is someone who's read and known things that are beyond what other loremasters have learned, and thus is not limited by any subjects.
Yes, but our Great Readers are still subject to the law of the land -- the Code of Conduct.
Side note: It took me a while to figure out that "Ichandar, ninety-one times Emperor!" meant he was the 91st Emperor, and not Ichandar XCI. |
| Dennis |
Posted - 12 Feb 2012 : 22:05:05
I see a connection of the Great Ones of Kelewan to the title of Great Reader. A Great One is a magician who is beyond the laws of the land, and is therefore not constrained by it. A Great Reader (IMO) is someone who's read and known things that are beyond what other loremasters have learned, and thus is not limited by any subjects. |
| Ayrik |
Posted - 11 Feb 2012 : 09:30:56
Ayrik's Candlekeep motto: Speak no evil, do not feed the trolls, and consider it not so deeply. |
| Jorkens |
Posted - 11 Feb 2012 : 08:47:08
Nah, that would just give a couple of people more reason to include me in their whining (Brimstone is not included among them for the record)even if I myself have no problem with the term. I am trying to get into Candlekeep again without having an urge to strangle someone through the keyboard or turning into a pain myself so the less cause for me to get into arguments the better. |
| Jakk |
Posted - 11 Feb 2012 : 05:09:14
quote:
Originally posted by Jorkens
I am not a huge fan of the Great Reader name. For myself I would prefer the name Great Grumbler.
 How about Great Grognard? Actually, if you don't want that one, I'll claim it.  |
| Dennis |
Posted - 11 Feb 2012 : 02:29:42
quote:
Originally posted by entreri3478
quote:
Originally posted by Dennis
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Originally posted by Icelander
I like Great Reader.
On the other hand, I think Master of Realmslore is premature at 1000 posts.
Agreed. 1,500 or 2,000 posts, I think, would be more appropriate for the said title.
Dennis you are approaching 10,000. Have you started thinking up a cool nickname yet??
When I joined Candlekeep, two of the many things I noticed were Wooly and Sage's unique titles (other than the Mod, of course). So I checked my profile and thought I could "customize" my tile. Didn't know about the ranking at first. |
| Artemas Entreri |
Posted - 10 Feb 2012 : 13:54:32
quote:
Originally posted by Dennis
quote:
Originally posted by Icelander
I like Great Reader.
On the other hand, I think Master of Realmslore is premature at 1000 posts.
Agreed. 1,500 or 2,000 posts, I think, would be more appropriate for the said title.
Dennis you are approaching 10,000. Have you started thinking up a cool nickname yet?? |
| Jorkens |
Posted - 10 Feb 2012 : 11:51:45
I am not a huge fan of the Great Reader name. For myself I would prefer the name Great Grumbler. |
| Dennis |
Posted - 10 Feb 2012 : 04:05:38
quote:
Originally posted by Icelander
I like Great Reader.
On the other hand, I think Master of Realmslore is premature at 1000 posts.
Agreed. 1,500 or 2,000 posts, I think, would be more appropriate for the said title. |
| The Sage |
Posted - 10 Feb 2012 : 00:54:15
I don't see any reason to change the post count for reaching Master of Realmslore, to be honest. I think 1,000 posts marks a definitive degree of committment to both this site and to chatter about the Realmslore. It's certainly appropriate. |
| Artemas Entreri |
Posted - 09 Feb 2012 : 20:32:36
quote:
Originally posted by Icelander
I like Great Reader.
On the other hand, I think Master of Realmslore is premature at 1000 posts.
I would (if I were allowed to vote anymore, which it seems the poll disallows), vote for changing 'Master of Realmslore' to 'Master Reader', to conform with 'Great Reader' (obviously higher in this context) and to keep Krashos' title special.
MODS- If you do decide to change "Master of Realmslore" to another title, can you please wait until i am around 1995 posts?? |
| Icelander |
Posted - 09 Feb 2012 : 20:18:03
I like Great Reader.
On the other hand, I think Master of Realmslore is premature at 1000 posts.
I would (if I were allowed to vote anymore, which it seems the poll disallows), vote for changing 'Master of Realmslore' to 'Master Reader', to conform with 'Great Reader' (obviously higher in this context) and to keep Krashos' title special. |
| Alaundo |
Posted - 07 Feb 2012 : 09:18:25
Well met
Aye, as said previously, the titles are based on Ed's work, which he kindly wrote for this site. I see the feeling some have mentioned regarding Master of Realmslore, so am open to suggestions. Feel free to drop me a PM or email. |
| Dennis |
Posted - 03 Feb 2012 : 23:23:41
quote:
Originally posted by Ashe Ravenheart
I'm liking Great Reader as well. Maybe add "No changes" to the poll?
Good suggestion. And needless to say, I voted that. |
| Hawkins |
Posted - 03 Feb 2012 : 22:01:06
Having re-read An Introduction to Candlekeep and received the below response from Ed, I no longer agree with the need for a new title to replace Great Reader. However, how do you other scribes feel about changing Master of Realmslore to Master Reader, the alternate title given in An Introduction to Candlekeep? I think that that would be less confusing overall (and I know it would be personally).
quote:
Private Message from The Hooded One
Hi, Hawkins! Here's Ed's reply:
In my 1967 short story THE ENDLESS CHANTS OF ALAUNDO, the Great Reader is the head of Candlekeep, or a retired head of Candlekeep (akin to "Professor Emeritus"), or the second-in-command if the avatar of Oghma or Deneir or Milil is visiting. There can be any number of Master Readers (just as in the Realms, there are lots of "Master Bakers," "Master Smiths," and other senior guild memberships). "Master" means an accomplished senior level of skill, whereas "Great" implies higher than that. That's why. :}
There you go. So saith Ed!
love,
THO
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| Hawkins |
Posted - 03 Feb 2012 : 18:01:29
I need to re read An Introduction to Candlekeep. I remember having had read it, but little else. |
| GRYPHON |
Posted - 03 Feb 2012 : 16:00:42
Archmaster of Realmslore... |
| Ashe Ravenheart |
Posted - 03 Feb 2012 : 13:48:53
I'm liking Great Reader as well. Maybe add "No changes" to the poll? |
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