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| diogrigor |
Posted - 04 Mar 2013 : 09:30:20
Hello there
In an effort to optimize a ranged rogue sneak attacker I discovered the feat Bow Feint (Dr#350). So I though if a feat that makes feinting in combat a move action exists (Improved Feint), why shouldn't a feat that does the same for ranged feint exist?
Now, while feinting in (melee) combat doesn't even require a feat, doing the same in ranged combat does. Also, back in 3rd edition there was a feat in Song and Silence, p.40 named Quicker Than the Eye that allowed ranged feinting as a move action and required Dex 19. Considering that Bow Feint has Int 13 as a prerequisite, I would surmise that if someone wanted to be able to feint from a range, he would have to be both smart and quick. Considering all of the above, here is my suggestion on Improved Bow Feint:
IMPROVED BOW FEINT [GENERAL]
You are expert in misleading an opponent in combat from a distance.
Prerequisites: Int 13, Dex 19, Bow Feint
Benefit: You can make a Bluff check to feint from a distance in combat as a move
action. See Bow Feint description for details.
Normal: Feinting in combat from a distance is a standard action.
Special: A fighter may select Improved Bow Feint as one of his fighter bonus
feats (see PHB page 38).
I'm eager to hear suggestions/ remarks/ opinions. |
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| diogrigor |
Posted - 06 Mar 2013 : 09:20:32
Diffan thanks again for the feedback!
I will take under serious consideration your suggestions. |
| Diffan |
Posted - 05 Mar 2013 : 08:03:58
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Originally posted by diogrigor
As I explained in my original post, Dex 19 was prerequisite back in the 3rd edition feat. But, you may have a point there. As high as 19 may be, 15 is a bit too low considering the fact that you have to be really quick to accomplish that (quicker than the eye was the name of the 3rd edition feat). So I think a Dex 17 prereq would be decent enough.
Dex of 17 is a decent compromise. I understand the idea behind having higher stats, but one also has to keep in mind that most common folk don't have Dexterity of 15 (or 14, or 13 or even 12) and that a Dex of 15 to high in that regard. You can also look at how the game requires such Ability scores when Point Buy is taken into consideration. Most "generic" games start with 28 Points, not leaving room for a Dex of 17 until about 8th to 10th level. Also keep in mind that the supplement like Song and Silence is a 3.0 product and really didn't have the sort of balance (sometimes to much, sometimes few little) and that one should be at least a bit wary before using the product. Unless, that is, your running straight 3.0 then carry on  .
quote:
Originally posted by diogrigor
Feinting in melee is one thing. But doing that from a distance and having the chance to a potential sneak attack each round... well, don't you think it would be a bit unbalancing? In any case, since Bow Feint is a Dragon magazine printed feat and it doesn't make ranged feinting a move action, I would prefer to stick to the rules and make someone who wants to feint from distance in combat as a move action pay two feats.
If Bow Feint were to allow you to use the Improved Feint feat but just at range, then I don't see a balance issue. Espically at later levels when people are gaining multiple shots per round while your stuck with 1-attack per round.
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Originally posted by diogrigor
After all, it's not as easy to feint from a distance as it is when you are next to the opponent, is it?
I haven't the foggiest idea, lol. But then again D&D isn't really the best system to expect any sort of realism from the mechanics either. |
| diogrigor |
Posted - 05 Mar 2013 : 05:49:55
Diffan thanks for the feedback!
As I explained in my original post, Dex 19 was prerequisite back in the 3rd edition feat. But, you may have a point there. As high as 19 may be, 15 is a bit too low considering the fact that you have to be really quick to accomplish that (quicker than the eye was the name of the 3rd edition feat). So I think a Dex 17 prereq would be decent enough.
Feinting in melee is one thing. But doing that from a distance and having the chance to a potential sneak attack each round... well, don't you think it would be a bit unbalancing? In any case, since Bow Feint is a Dragon magazine printed feat and it doesn't make ranged feinting a move action, I would prefer to stick to the rules and make someone who wants to feint from distance in combat as a move action pay two feats.
After all, it's not as easy to feint from a distance as it is when you are next to the opponent, is it? |
| Diffan |
Posted - 04 Mar 2013 : 13:36:53
Well for starters, Dex 19 is a bit too high of a prerequisite for a feat that isn't designed for medium- to high-levels of play. And Feinting with a Ranged weapon shouldn't be that hard to achieve in low-level games. I'd start the Dex prerequisite at most, 15 (like most Dex-basd feat requirements are).
But I also think making you take a feat to use something in combat that exists with no feat for melee is pretty pointless and redundant. I'd remove the requirement for Bow Feint altogether and just have you require Combat Expertise + Bow Feint (with Bow Feint being Feinting in combat as a Move action). Really, it serves no purpose, balance wise, with the set-up required currently. |
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