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Screensize: 640 x 480 800 x 600 1024 x 768 1280 x 1024 UserName: Password: Format Mode: Basic  Help  Prompt  Format: Font Andale Mono Arial Arial Black Book Antiqua Century Gothic Comic Sans MS Courier New Georgia Impact Lucida Console Script MT Bold Stencil Tahoma Times New Roman Trebuchet MS Verdana   Size 1 2 3 4 5 6   Color Black Red Yellow Pink Green Orange Purple Blue Beige Brown Teal Navy Maroon LimeGreen Message: * HTML is OFF * Forum Code is ON Smilies [quote][i]Originally posted by WalkerNinja[/i] [br]My thought for producing presige skills was based on two thoughts... 1) The Concentration skill seemed very lack-luster to me. Virtually every class has this skill as a class-skill, but no one but a spell caster would ever take it. As it is written, its just not necessary (or even useful) for any other class 99% of the time. The ability to focus (synonym of concentrate) is a skill lauded by all. Monks (in real life) are supposed to be able to concentrate themselves into supreme tranquility, Zen Archers are supposed to be able to perform astounding feats of archery through near monastic focus, Barbarians able to resist pain through single minded determination, Bhuddist Monks calmly burn themselves to death in protest. All of these things shout "WISDOM" to me, not "CONSTITUTION." My problem was this: Do I need to create a new skill, or broaden the scope of the existing skill. 2)Presige X. X here stands for a variable. I thoroughly enjoy the Prestige mechanic of your advancement becoming more than the sum of its parts via specific qualifications. Most people attach "Prestige" to classes, but I have always coupled it with a principle. Only a fighter of a certain level can take weapon specialization. Only by meeting certain inherent requirements do you get to take Whirlwind Attack. To become a lich, you must do X, Y, and Z. From races, to templates, to feats, and even races, the Principle of Prestige X is omnipresent in 3E even if it is not called such. So why not prestige skills? Under the canon d20 system, getting more skill points just makes you better at doing that particular thing (sometimes not even that, it just makes you less likely to fail). But if I were a monk, and had 23 ranks in concentration, shouldn't I be able to do something more than be able to cast a spell while being beaten on especially considering that I can't cast a spell? Concentration is inherent to the idea of the monk, but aside from some class features, there is no need for a monk to ever take the skill Concentration. That is the genesis of Deep Concentration. I don't have the write up in front of me right now, but it basically goes like this... Prestige Skill: Deep Concentration (Wis) Requirements: 10 ranks in Concentration Flavor Requirement: your character must have displayed a meditative spirit for X amount of time, and sought tutelage from NPC X,Y,or Z (or another DM approved Master of Deep Concentration) All of my Prestige Skills carry Flavor requirements. I find that if they don't, they just aren't very prestigious. Deep Concentration has a number of applications: Enhancing the quality of any given craft skill Boosting the turning ability of a cleric Allowing one to purge their own mind of enchantments or phantasms Bestowing an inherent bonus on a given athletic activity (trying to make a reeeeaaally long jump takes a lot of focus, ask any olympian) Speeding along research Give spellcasters the opportunity to ignore distractions during study, research, or crafting of magic items (monsters rush into camp at the break of dawn while elf wizard is preparing spells. Confidant that his party will have things well in control, he makes a deep concentration check to ignore everything around him). all of these applications (in fact using this skill at all) denote single minded, nearly religious focus making the character totally susceptible to any attack or action. Characters using Deep Concentration are considered flat-footed, and recieve a penalty to Spot and Listen checks equal to the result of their Deep Concentration check (ouch!). So, in the previous example, the Elf Wizard gets a total result of 17 on his Deep Concentration check. Regardless of whether the check is actually successful or not, he recieves a -17 penalty to spot and listen checks. In a previous topic, I mentioned the Prestige Knowledge skill Monster Biology and Anatomy. Again, it has a lot of applications that Knowledge Dungeoneering just doesn't cover. Some Realms specific examples of some Prestige Knowledge skills might be Knowledge (Obarskyr Family History), for which one might have to have 5 ranks of knowledge (Cormyr) and 5 ranks of knowledge (nobility and royalty). Questions? -Walker [/quote]   Check here to include your profile signature. Check here to subscribe to this topic.