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| ericlboyd |
Posted - 07 Apr 2020 : 00:21:37
Wardmists and various tracer spells play a ubiquitous role in Ed's depiction of the Realms.
Has anything close been published for 3.5e?
--Eric |
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| ericlboyd |
Posted - 08 Apr 2020 : 06:38:53
quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
There was the old Tulrun's Tracer, but I don't think it's been updated since 1E. It was in the OGB.
Found it in Pages from the Mages (2e).
Thanks,
--Eric |
| TheIriaeban |
Posted - 08 Apr 2020 : 04:50:39
A good place to look for wards is VGtCormyr starting on page 231. It has sections about the various types of wards in Cormyr. |
| TBeholder |
Posted - 08 Apr 2020 : 04:43:34
Plainly named "tracer"?
Chevic's Tracer - Wiz 4, Divination/Alteration, Field: Mentalism; from: How the Mighty are Fallen.
Tulrun’s Tracer - Wiz 4; Divination/Alteration; from: Pages from the Mages (also PftM in Dragon #69) and FRCS.
Shandaril’s Tracer - Wiz 5; Divination, from: The Magister, Pages from the Mages.
Psionic Tracer - Wiz 4; Divination, from: Wizard’s Spell Compendium.
Tracer Pot: XP value 1,000, GP value 5,000, from: The North: The Wilderness. 
quote:
Originally posted by TheIriaeban
There is also Trembling Horn on 952 of the above book (it is used by the Watchful Wizard guys in Waterdeep),
[...] and Locate Creature/Object/Portal/Remains (pages 522-524, WSC2).
Edit: Almost forgot, Find Person/Treasure/Water (pages 355-357, WSC2).
Locate/Find are not cast preemptively. So is Tulrun’s Tracer, for that matter.
Trembling Horn may be related, but the effect is just a fancy visible spell cast on a creature - if it counts, so would curse of the grinning skull, faerie fire, light and whatnot. |
| TheIriaeban |
Posted - 08 Apr 2020 : 04:38:18
I checked the Wizards Spell Compendium for the wardmist spell. Sometimes, it says something about it being modified from the original form to make better sense. This spell doesn't appear to be changed that much (if at all). This seems more for handling the cannon-fodder troops and not for any kind of serious assault. |
| George Krashos |
Posted - 08 Apr 2020 : 01:33:24
quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
I don't see anything in the description about day or night being a factor, and it does specify the mist is permanently present... Though it does say that if you have the token, the mist basically doesn't exist for you.
I'm looking at the description that starts on page 226 of Volo's Guide to the North. It's also on pages 9 and 10 of Volo's Guide to All Things Magical (formerly a suppressed work  ).
And the "permanently present" thing is the dumb part. Does that mean every settlement protected by a wardmist can't be observed from outside? One of the VGttN descriptions says that there is a gap in the wardmist to allow entry/exit - that would be immediately noticeable if the mist was always present and observable. Wouldn't the mist block sunlight? Can you fly over a wardmist? Just ... no, needs a revamp.
Personally, I think the mist only exists if you enter its environs without a proper token. In other words, it's a bit like putting on the One Ring in the LotR films - you enter illegally and you are suddenly plunged into this strange, mist shrouded environment. You can't see anything and monsters start popping in out of nowhere to try kill you. That makes way more sense than riding up over the hill rise and seeing a clump of mist in the hollow at the height of summer and saying, "Gee, Sholdo's Mill looks good today."
-- George Krashos |
| TheIriaeban |
Posted - 07 Apr 2020 : 23:14:13
quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
quote:
Originally posted by ericlboyd
For the "tracer" spell, I'm still at a lost to find a starting spell, other than "locate object"
--Eric
There was the old Tulrun's Tracer, but I don't think it's been updated since 1E. It was in the OGB.
Tulrun's Tracer is on page 958 of the Wizard's Spell Compendium Vol 4.
There is also Trembling Horn on 952 of the above book (it is used by the Watchful Wizard guys in Waterdeep), Psionic Tracer (page 718, WSC3), Shandaril's Tracer (page 805, WSC3), and Locate Creature/Object/Portal/Remains (pages 522-524, WSC2).
Edit: Almost forgot, Find Person/Treasure/Water (pages 355-357, WSC2). |
| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 07 Apr 2020 : 22:09:11
quote:
Originally posted by ericlboyd
For the "tracer" spell, I'm still at a lost to find a starting spell, other than "locate object"
--Eric
There was the old Tulrun's Tracer, but I don't think it's been updated since 1E. It was in the OGB. |
| ericlboyd |
Posted - 07 Apr 2020 : 19:49:53
For 3.5e wardmist, I'm thinking it's essentially a permanent variant of "guards in wards."
And yes, the key places it shows up are VGttN (which was then copied into The North boxed set).
For the "tracer" spell, I'm still at a lost to find a starting spell, other than "locate object"
--Eric |
| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 07 Apr 2020 : 18:37:53
quote:
Originally posted by George Krashos
Wardmist is problematic. The concept works fine. The practicalities, not so much. Is the "mist" present permanently? Even during the day? If not, is the mist only present when you enter the wardmist environs? Even in the middle of a bright, summer's day? If you have a ward token, does the mist exist for you? Do you travel through it unmolested or do you not encounter or see any mist?
-- George Krashos
I don't see anything in the description about day or night being a factor, and it does specify the mist is permanently present... Though it does say that if you have the token, the mist basically doesn't exist for you.
I'm looking at the description that starts on page 226 of Volo's Guide to the North. It's also on pages 9 and 10 of Volo's Guide to All Things Magical (formerly a suppressed work ). |
| George Krashos |
Posted - 07 Apr 2020 : 16:48:17
Wardmist is problematic. The concept works fine. The practicalities, not so much. Is the "mist" present permanently? Even during the day? If not, is the mist only present when you enter the wardmist environs? Even in the middle of a bright, summer's day? If you have a ward token, does the mist exist for you? Do you travel through it unmolested or do you not encounter or see any mist?
-- George Krashos |
| Ayrik |
Posted - 07 Apr 2020 : 00:48:52
I'm only aware of 2E mentions. In the FRA and some early FR# products, I think. Or maybe The North boxset (from WotC downloads) or Savage Frontier?
There was a place - a castle or a fortress keep? - founded by a rsnger somewhere near Luskan and Mirabar, I think. "Xanthorn's Keep" maybe. Defended by wards, mists, wardmists, descriptions and mechanics were provided.
Sorry I can't be more specific. Probably 20 years since I read that stuff. |
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