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| Wenin |
Posted - 19 Feb 2014 : 04:06:41
I'm putting together a collection of a timeline based on the elven date notation. I found this really interesting as it was presented in the Arcane Age source books. From those books the last reported Coronal was for Cormanthyr. Eltargrim disappeared in 661 DR without an heir.
Is there any information on him returning, or a new Coronal being selected?
Does anyone know if other elven regions have Coronals as well? Such as Evereska? If not, is there any material on how they do dates in Evereska? |
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| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 21 Mar 2014 : 11:49:45
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Originally posted by Thauranil
Well I would not say that it was easily cleansed. After all it did take and elven crusade and the military might of Sembia to even take the city, after which the smarter monsters probably realized that it was time to get the hell out of Dodge.
Ilsevele Miritar ordered her men not to attack any monsters that were trying to flee and only those who refused to do so were destroyed.
The place had been filled with fiends and twisted magic for centuries, as well as at least one lich and random nastybads. Just cleaning all of that out would take years -- and that's not even thinking about turning all those piles of rubble into viable structures.
Centuries of magical damage, incursions by everything that could get there, extensive damage from a war centuries earlier, and all that was somehow removed, and the place was rebuilt, in just five years? Not plausible. |
| Thauranil |
Posted - 21 Mar 2014 : 11:21:09
Well I would not say that it was easily cleansed. After all it did take and elven crusade and the military might of Sembia to even take the city, after which the smarter monsters probably realized that it was time to get the hell out of Dodge.
Ilsevele Miritar ordered her men not to attack any monsters that were trying to flee and only those who refused to do so were destroyed.
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| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 20 Mar 2014 : 18:05:27
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Originally posted by TBeholder
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Well, in the Last Mythal trilogy, the fey'ri took Myth Drannor, and then the Reclamation cleaned them out. The epilogue makes it sound like the city is entirely pacified and inhabitable 5 years later, and I have a lot of issues with that...
Starting with fey'ri themselves being able to hold the white-hot potato? 
Yeah, that was problematic, as well... I'd prefer to spin it that they only controlled a section of the city, and not the whole thing. A place that has been ruled by nastybads and twisted magic for centuries should not be cleansed so readily. |
| TBeholder |
Posted - 20 Mar 2014 : 17:01:56
So, back to the original question...
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Originally posted by Wenin
I'm putting together a collection of a timeline based on the elven date notation. I found this really interesting as it was presented in the Arcane Age source books. From those books the last reported Coronal was for Cormanthyr. Eltargrim disappeared in 661 DR without an heir.
Is there any information on him returning, or a new Coronal being selected?
He didn't disappear. He was gone to Arvandor... without a heir.
Which is a little beside the point, since the next Coronal was decided via blade-rite. And this wasn't pretty. The one who passed was Srinshee, who by this time was so disgusted with the local fair folk, she just shamed them with a little speech and teleported away.
Which raises interesting questions about the formalities of re-settling, of course.
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Well, in the Last Mythal trilogy, the fey'ri took Myth Drannor, and then the Reclamation cleaned them out. The epilogue makes it sound like the city is entirely pacified and inhabitable 5 years later, and I have a lot of issues with that...
Starting with fey'ri themselves being able to hold the white-hot potato?
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The other bear was whining like a whipped kitten, digging his claws into the ground and refusing to move. I had my arms around his neck and was trying to drag him forward when I heard something thunder overhead. A red dragon was roaring out of Myth Drannor, wings beating furiously, its face wrenched in stark terror! I didn't wait to see what was chasing it.
- Lyra Sunrose
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| Zireael |
Posted - 20 Mar 2014 : 08:22:37
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Originally posted by Wenin
I thought Cormanthyr: Empire of Elves covered the loss of Myth Drannor, with that loss the elves are only left with the Elven Court. While I knew the retreat emptied much of the Elven Court, is there an actual book that details the rise of the Drow? Is that the Spider Queen series? I avoided reading that series due to a campaign I was involved in as a player.
No book details the rise of the drow. Cormanthyr is about Myth Drannor's heyday and the Fall of Myth Drannor is about the Weeping War itself. |
| kysus |
Posted - 28 Feb 2014 : 08:16:47
Cormanthyr covers Myth Drannor but it covers it during its heyday before its named Myth Drannor and it talks about the how Elven court first fell and some of the background information on the elven court like architecture and landmarks. It also covers Semberholme and Tangled trees as well, at least during Myth Drannors heyday. |
| Wenin |
Posted - 27 Feb 2014 : 13:04:19
I thought Cormanthyr: Empire of Elves covered the loss of Myth Drannor, with that loss the elves are only left with the Elven Court. While I knew the retreat emptied much of the Elven Court, is there an actual book that details the rise of the Drow? Is that the Spider Queen series? I avoided reading that series due to a campaign I was involved in as a player. |
| kysus |
Posted - 26 Feb 2014 : 23:49:09
"Cormanthyr: Empire of Elves" covers the loss of elven court. Also the elven court was regained at the end of the weeping war and made the new seat of power in the cormanthyr woods til the retreat of the elves. At which point the drow came in and made themselves at home. |
| Wenin |
Posted - 26 Feb 2014 : 22:04:20
Which sources cover the loss of the Elven Court?
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| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 26 Feb 2014 : 00:17:41
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Originally posted by TBeholder
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
I would have compromised, and had only a small portion of Myth Drannor be pacified -- enough to serve as a base for a decades-long effort to cleanse the city.
Yeah. But then again, why not to try and hold already controlled areas that weren't contested by such nasty enemies before sticking the head into that hellhole?
Well, in the Last Mythal trilogy, the fey'ri took Myth Drannor, and then the Reclamation cleaned them out. The epilogue makes it sound like the city is entirely pacified and inhabitable 5 years later, and I have a lot of issues with that... Hence my idea of a smaller, fortified area within the city, used as a based of operations for slowly expanding the civilized area. We could have gotten years of adventure, even the potential for published adventures, had WotC gone that route and just omitted that epilogue (or modified it to indicate that years of work lay ahead). |
| TBeholder |
Posted - 25 Feb 2014 : 23:49:16
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Originally posted by dazzlerdal
I would have left Myth Drannor as the monster infested dungeon it was and have the elves retake the Elven Court.
The problem: Elven Court was a playground of a drow competition in curses and persistent traps.
Still less nasty than Myth Drannor, of course.
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That way you get an elven presence and keep Myth Drannor as it was. Besides even an army of elves couldnt have kicked out the baatezu, the phaerimm, the liches, and everything else that lived there
Given that the elves were in Rereat for a reason, and representatives of Evermeet tried to convince those who aren't yet? Yup, it looks like they aren't exactly in position to reconquer any... <a crane next to the scene suddenly swings> There's no impossible tasks when Ensign Sue is sent to help!
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(i didnt do the shades so the phaerimm are still there in my game)
They are hard to completely root out either way. And the Shades aren't exactly a great boon themselves. 
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
I would have compromised, and had only a small portion of Myth Drannor be pacified -- enough to serve as a base for a decades-long effort to cleanse the city.
Yeah. But then again, why not to try and hold already controlled areas that weren't contested by such nasty enemies before sticking the head into that hellhole? |
| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 25 Feb 2014 : 22:31:53
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Originally posted by dazzlerdal
I would have left Myth Drannor as the monster infested dungeon it was and have the elves retake the Elven Court.
That way you get an elven presence and keep Myth Drannor as it was. Besides even an army of elves couldnt have kicked out the baatezu, the phaerimm, the liches, and everything else that lived there (i didnt do the shades so the phaerimm are still there in my game)
I would have compromised, and had only a small portion of Myth Drannor be pacified -- enough to serve as a base for a decades-long effort to cleanse the city. |
| Gary Dallison |
Posted - 25 Feb 2014 : 16:56:51
I would have left Myth Drannor as the monster infested dungeon it was and have the elves retake the Elven Court.
That way you get an elven presence and keep Myth Drannor as it was. Besides even an army of elves couldnt have kicked out the baatezu, the phaerimm, the liches, and everything else that lived there (i didnt do the shades so the phaerimm are still there in my game) |
| Wenin |
Posted - 25 Feb 2014 : 16:31:16
Hash,
Interesting, everything beyond 1370 is a void for me. Though my campaign timeline is in 1369, and looking to have it centered on the return of an elven kingdom in Cormanthor.
Thanks, I'll read through the Fall of Myth Drannor box set, it has been several years since I have. Kind of annoyed that I hadn't thought to look through those books again. Doh! =)
What kind of Elven presence exists within the High Forest?
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| kysus |
Posted - 20 Feb 2014 : 06:12:55
Eltargrim passed to into the arvondar which you can find in the fall of myth drannor on pg 4. After him the city was ran by the council of twelve. As for the other elven lands evereska is also ran by a council though i dont remember what all the positions were on that council but you can probally find out about some of them in the return of the archwizards series. Um...as far as other elven kingdoms the city of Rucien Xan in the chondalwood may or may not have a coronal, that may be a question you could ask the lady hooded one to find out. after those there really isn't any other major elven populations on the main land that isn't a tribal culture. |
| hashimashadoo |
Posted - 19 Feb 2014 : 17:03:38
Ilsevele Miritar is the seventh coronal of Cormanthyr. Her reign began in 1377 DR. |
