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Wenin Posted - 11 Jan 2014 : 07:43:26
How did the pantheons for the Demi-Humans fare during the Time of Troubles? I don't recall them being mentioned as being ejected from the heavens, but if they weren't ejected from the upper planes... that would leave them at a great advantage. What would have kept them from settling things with the human followers?

Though with Mystra having been ejected, that cut everyone from the weave, right?

On the same subject, what of Gruumsh and the other humanoid deities?


It has been so long since I read the books, and I can't recall if it was complete Lights Out when it came to magic during the entire Time of Troubles. I think I recall that arcane magic was accessible, but unreliable (didn't work, or worked but was twisted), and when it came to the Divine, they were completely denied their grace unless they happen to be in close proximity of their deity's avatar as it appeared among mortals. So where do Magical Wands and Devices that worked off of Divine energy... were they always dead or were they like the magic of wizards where it was unreliable?
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Ateth Istarlin Posted - 14 Jan 2014 : 11:59:41
In the AD&D comic, Shar was impersonating Selune to destroy her church.
Markustay Posted - 14 Jan 2014 : 00:45:50
quote:
Originally posted by sleyvas

even the gods of Kara-Tur were cast down. Ironically, we have no lore of the gods of Maztica or Zakhara being driven to earth that I know of, and obviously no lore of even more remote and unheard from continents (i.e. Anchorome <which may just be a collection of islands>, Osse, and these other supposed regions of Katashaka and Aurune <note, not saying that's not what they're called, but I haven't read anything that does declare those the names> .
At that time (RW), both Fate and Maztica (the God, not the land) were considered 'Overowers', on par with Ao, and that might have something to with those regions being exempt.

Later products changed that, and Ao is now the only Overgod (retroactively, over-writing that previous lore), so it would be interesting if they one day revisited the ToT story line and let us know what was going on 'elsewhere'.
Ayrik Posted - 13 Jan 2014 : 23:55:15
Perhaps Selūne was a dual-aspect deity fundamentally represented by two distinct avatar manifestations? One, a softly radiant silvery-Good moon goddess haloed by knowledge of the stars. The other, a lycanthropic Chaos-beauty, driven to ravenously consume faithful sustenance?

Alright, it ain‘t at all canon. But why not?
Wooly Rupert Posted - 12 Jan 2014 : 05:18:36
quote:
Originally posted by sleyvas

the old dungeons & dragons comic is where Labelas and Clangeddin fought.



Almost... It was in the Forgotten Realms comic that DC/TSR did -- the other comic set in the Realms, Advanced Dungeons & Dragons, stayed mostly in Waterdeep.

Advanced Dungeons & Dragons did feature the coming of Selūne to Waterdeep, which was a bit of an issue, since Selūne was already there...

Both things eventually got noted in later 2E source material.
sleyvas Posted - 11 Jan 2014 : 15:27:51
the old dungeons & dragons comic is where Labelas and Clangeddin fought.
Wenin Posted - 11 Jan 2014 : 15:17:19
Where is the event of Labelas and Clangeddin's fight covered? I've been unable to locate mention of it, but I'm still searching. I assume that while he lost the fight, he wasn't slain, for Clangeddin exists within 3.5.

never mind, found it! In the Demihumans Deities from 2.0 =)
Wooly Rupert Posted - 11 Jan 2014 : 14:23:47
quote:
Originally posted by Asharak

I don't rememeber who compile this, perhaps Tom Costa or Eric L. Boyd ...

" Nonhuman Powers
The locations of very few nonhuman gods have been revealed. The few that have been revealed are noted below.
Clangeddin Silverbeard and Labelas Enoreth: Clangeddin Silverbeard, in the form of three dwarves melded into a giant earth elemental, battled Labelas Enoreth, who had possessed the body of his cleric Vartan Hai Sylvar for use as his avatar, over a misunderstanding upon the isle of Ruathym. The battle resulted in the destruction of Clangeddin's avatar.
Deep Duerra: Duerra's avatar appeared in Underspires, a duergar city deep below the Osraun Mountains of northern Turmish, in the form of the Queen Mother, who was serving as regent of the city until the young king reached his maturity. Under the goddess' leadership, the city's army extended the holdings of Underspires, before she disappeared into the southernmost reaches of the Underdark.
Ilsensine: The Tentacled Lord of the mind flayers manifested in the city of Oryndoll, miles beneath the Shining Plains west of the Vilhon Reach, adopting the elder brain of Oryndoll as its avatar form.
Lolth: The Spider Queen appeared in her great city of Menzoberranzan, home of the outcast Drizzt Do'Urden, where she allegedly slew a minor drow deity of assassination and usurped her portfolio.
Segojan Earthcaller and Urdlen: Hardbuckler was said to have been the site of a great struggle between the avatars and servants of the Lord of Burrows, Segojan, and the Crawler Below, Urdlen.
Sekolah: The great white shark deity of the sahuagin fought Anhur off the coast of Mulhorand in the Alamber Sea.
Selvetarm: Selvetarm rampaged through the drow city of Eryndlyn, located in hidden caves beneath the High Moor, attacking strongholds of the followers of Ghaunadaur and Vhaeraun. The avatar was eventually driven into the wild Underdark by an alliance of the victimized cults. "



It's from an article called "The Avatar Trilogy: The Gods Walk Toril" that used to be on the WotC site (it likely still is; I've just not figured out where they moved it to). The article was by Tom Costa.
Asharak Posted - 11 Jan 2014 : 14:13:07
I don't rememeber who compile this, perhaps Tom Costa or Eric L. Boyd ...

" Nonhuman Powers
The locations of very few nonhuman gods have been revealed. The few that have been revealed are noted below.
Clangeddin Silverbeard and Labelas Enoreth: Clangeddin Silverbeard, in the form of three dwarves melded into a giant earth elemental, battled Labelas Enoreth, who had possessed the body of his cleric Vartan Hai Sylvar for use as his avatar, over a misunderstanding upon the isle of Ruathym. The battle resulted in the destruction of Clangeddin's avatar.
Deep Duerra: Duerra's avatar appeared in Underspires, a duergar city deep below the Osraun Mountains of northern Turmish, in the form of the Queen Mother, who was serving as regent of the city until the young king reached his maturity. Under the goddess' leadership, the city's army extended the holdings of Underspires, before she disappeared into the southernmost reaches of the Underdark.
Ilsensine: The Tentacled Lord of the mind flayers manifested in the city of Oryndoll, miles beneath the Shining Plains west of the Vilhon Reach, adopting the elder brain of Oryndoll as its avatar form.
Lolth: The Spider Queen appeared in her great city of Menzoberranzan, home of the outcast Drizzt Do'Urden, where she allegedly slew a minor drow deity of assassination and usurped her portfolio.
Segojan Earthcaller and Urdlen: Hardbuckler was said to have been the site of a great struggle between the avatars and servants of the Lord of Burrows, Segojan, and the Crawler Below, Urdlen.
Sekolah: The great white shark deity of the sahuagin fought Anhur off the coast of Mulhorand in the Alamber Sea.
Selvetarm: Selvetarm rampaged through the drow city of Eryndlyn, located in hidden caves beneath the High Moor, attacking strongholds of the followers of Ghaunadaur and Vhaeraun. The avatar was eventually driven into the wild Underdark by an alliance of the victimized cults. "
The Arcanamach Posted - 11 Jan 2014 : 13:28:18
If memory serves, Tiamat appeared in Unther and killed Gilgeam. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

As a RSE, the ToT could have been far worse...just think of all the draconic and giant deities rampaging throughout the Realms. I guess the powers that were (at that time) didn't think that far through.
hashimashadoo Posted - 11 Jan 2014 : 12:15:29
In addition to Clangeddin & Labelas' fight on Ruathym, we've got:

* Aerdrie Faenya began seeing Shaundakul romantically.
* Sekolah got beat up by Anhur in the Alamber Sea.
* Deep Duerra ruled as regent of Underspires.
* Ilsensine appeared in Oryndoll, inspiring a religious renaissance.
* Selvetarm rampaged through Eryndlyn until being driven off.
* Sseth fought and lost to Ubtao in Chult.

I'm guessing most of the demihuman and monstrous deities stayed in relatively out-of-the-way places.
Asharak Posted - 11 Jan 2014 : 11:07:11
nothing about dragon or giant deities, perhaps too small...
sleyvas Posted - 11 Jan 2014 : 09:55:54
even the gods of Kara-Tur were cast down. Ironically, we have no lore of the gods of Maztica or Zakhara being driven to earth that I know of, and obviously no lore of even more remote and unheard from continents (i.e. Anchorome <which may just be a collection of islands>, Osse, and these other supposed regions of Katashaka and Aurune <note, not saying that's not what they're called, but I haven't read anything that does declare those the names> .
Dalor Darden Posted - 11 Jan 2014 : 07:52:29
All deities were indeed banished to Faerun.

I can say at least that Labelas (sp?) fought and defeated Clangeddin (sp)...I don't remember the others.

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