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| Ifthir |
Posted - 03 Apr 2012 : 18:06:34
OK so I've been going through the campaign sourcebooks one by one and I think I have the full list of statted NPC's and the corresponding source. Does anyone know any I am missing? Remember, statted NPC's from 3 and 3.5e canon only :)
Please note: These totals are caster levels, not CR.
41 Ioulaum (LN elder brain lich Wiz31/Acm5/Netherese Arcanist5) (p101 Lost Empires of Faerun)
36 Qysar Shoon VII (NE male human demilich Necromancer31/Acm5) (p121 Lost Empires of Faerun)
36 The Skulls (CN advanced flameskull Sor26/Acm5/NethereseArcanist5) (p111 Waterdeep: City of Splendors)
35 Telamont Tanthul (NE male shade Wiz20/Acm5/Sha10) (p82 Lords of Darkness)
33 Rhangaun (NE male human lich Wiz20/Acm5/Epic8) (p178 Lords of Darkness)
32 Larloch (LE Male Human lich Wiz20/Epic12) (p161 Lords of Darkness)
32 Danchilaer the Mad Mage (LN male Halruaan human Wiz21/Sor6/Acm5) (Dapplegate) [http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/frbk/20060628a]
32 The Simbul (CN female human Sor20/Acm2/Wiz10) (p112 Unapproachable East)
32 Aumvor the Undying (CE augmented elite Netherese human lich Necromancer 15/Acm5/Epic7/NethereseArcanist5) (p127 Champions of Ruin)
31 The Keeper of Thaal (NE male human demilich Wiz31) (p179 Underdark)
31 Kartak Spellseer (CE male human lich Nec20/Acm5/Epic6) (p178 Lords of Darkness)
30 Arthindol (N male sarrukh lich Wiz25/Acm5) (p102 Lost Empires of Faerun)
30 High Lord Planner Illis Khendarhine (LN male deep Imaskari Sor4/Wiz20/Acm6) (p138 Underdark)
30 Lady Saharel (CG female Netherese human ghost Wiz20/Acm5/NethereseArcanist5) (p90 Anauroch: The Empire of Shade)
30 Halaster Blackcloak (male human Wiz25/Acm5) (p6 Waterdeep: City of Splendors)
29 Elminster (CG male human Chosen of Mystra Ftr1/Rog2/Clr3/Wiz20/Acm5/Epic4)(p7 FRCS)
29 Szass Tam (NE male lich Necromancer10/RedWizard10/Acm2/Epic7) (p169 Unapproachable East)
29 Lord Apprehender Ebrul Naramixna (N male deep Imaskari Sor10/Wiz15/Acm4) (p138 Underdark)
29 Zalathorm Kirkson (LN male human Diviner20/Loremaster4/Halruaan Elder5) (p133 Shining South)
29 Rhaugilath the Ageless (LG male human archlich Wiz22/Acm5/Netherese Arcanist2) (p102 Lost Empires of Faerun)
28 Wulgreth of Ascalhorn (LE male human lich Wiz20/Acm3/Netherese Arcanist5) (p111 Lost Empires of Faerun)
27 Shradin Mulphor (NE nishruu [augmented male human] Necromancer22/Acm5) (p110 (p109 Waterdeep: City of Splendors)
27 Khelben "Blackstaff" Arunsun (LN male human Chosen of Mystra Wiz24/Acm3) (p24 Waterdeep: City of Splendors)
27 Shangalar the Black (LE male tiefling lich Wiz20/Acm5/Epic2) (p178 Lords of Darkness)
27 Priamon "Frostrune" Rakesk (CE male human lich Wiz20/Acm4/Epic3) (p178 Lords of Darkness) ###DECEASED###
27 Yusendre (CG female human Wiz20/Sor6/Acm1) (The Realm of Nimbral, Part Eight)
26 Ardanthe (LN female human Wiz24/Acm2) (The Realm of Nimbral, Part Eight) [http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/rl/20041124a]
26 Belaurant (CN male human Wiz25/Acm1) (The Realm of Nimbral, Part Eight)
26 Mardamaun (LN male human Wiz25/Acm1) (The Realm of Nimbral, Part Eight)
26 Brennus Tanthul (NE male shade Diviner12/Loremaster8/ShadowAdept6) (p61 Power of Faerun)
26 Lamorak Tanthul (NE male shade Wiz19/Sha7) (p84 Lords of Darkness)
25 Meleghost Zoaster (CN male human Illusionist20/Acm5) (p116 Serpent Kingdoms)
25 Ygnaroth the Necroseer (CE phaerimm Sor25) (p166 Underdark)
25 Daurgothoth (CE male great wyrm black dracolich Wiz20/Acm5) (p42 Dragons of Faerun)
25 Malchor Harpell (NG male Illuskan human Wiz20/Acm5) (p76 Waterdeep: City of Splendors)
25 Mattick Tanthul (LE male shade Illusionis16/Sha9) (p83 Lords of Darkness)
25 Vattick Tanthul (LE male shade Illusionis16/Sha9) (p83 Lords of Darkness)
25 Manshoon (LE male human Wiz20/Acm5) (p156 Mysteries of the Moonsea)
25 Izazrem Thal (LN male Rashemi human Wiz16/RedWizard9) (p145 Power of Faerun)
24 Marune the Masked (NE male Tethyrian human Necromancer5/ShadowAdept14/Acm5) (p68 Waterdeep: City of Splendors)
24 Nevron (NE male human Cjr10/Red10/Acm2/Epic2) (p278 FRCS)
24 Phaeldara (CN female human Sor16/Wiz8) (p111 Unapproachable East)
24 Telbran Nelarn (CN male Netherese human Sor24) (p31 Waterdeep: City of Splendors)
24 Pharos (N male moon elf baelnorn Wiz24) (p124 Lost Empires of Faerun)
24 Alustriel (CG female human Chosen of Mystra Wiz20/Sor2/Acm2) (p54 Silver Marches)
24 Keiler Twistbeard (CE male Chondathan Wiz20/Planeshifter4) (p115 Waterdeep: City of Splendors)
24 Druxus Rhym (NE male human Tra10/Red10/Acm4) (p278 FRCS)
24 Immirton "Redcloak" Loaden (NG male Tashalar human Wiz14/Master Transmogrifist10 [formerly a LG transmuter]; Str 17, Int 18, Wis 17)
23 Tabra (NG female human Wiz18/Acm5) (p101 Lost Empires of Faerun)
23 Dethud Tanthul (LE male shade Nec15/Sha8) (p84 Lords of Darkness)
23 Laeral Silverhand (CG female human Wiz19/Sor4/Rgr7) (p280 FRCS)
23 Aznar Thrul (CE male Mulan human Evoker10/RedWizard10/Acm3) (p24 Waterdeep: City of Splendors)
23 Phourkyn One-Eye (NG male human Wiz20/Acm3) (p161 FRCS)
23 Skouloun (CN male human Wiz22/Acm1) (The Realm of Nimbral, Part Eight)
23 Ilcanorr of Luthcheq (NE male Turami human Wiz20/Acm1/Epic2) (http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/frbk/20060510a)
23 Shyressa (NE female human vampire Wiz20/Acm3) (p178 Lords of Darkness)
23 Gulgath (CN male human Wiz23) (p90 Mysteries of the Moonsea)
23 Maskar Wands (LN male Tethyrian human Wiz20/Acm3) (p63 Waterdeep: City of Splendors)
23 Dyrr the Lichdrow (NE male drow lich Sor20/Wiz3/Clr1 of Velsharoon) (p161 Underdark) ###DECEASED###
23 Scalmarel the Sage (LE phaerimm Sor23) (p166 Underdark)
22 Nezram the World-Walker (LN male human Mulan Wiz22) (p80 Lost Empires of Faerun)
22 Ornar of the Claw (CE male human Wiz19/Acm3) (p111 Lords of Darkness)
22 Scsilda Starshield (LN female Calishite human Sor19/ElementalSavant3 [lich of unique status: unturnable]) http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/frbk/20061122
22 Guldor Zauviir (NE male drow Wiz20/Acm2) (p175 Underdark)
22 Lauzoril (NE male human Enc10/Red10/Acm2) (p278 FRCS)
22 Sylune (NG female human spectral harpist Wiz20/Sor2/Ftr2) (p280 FRCS)
22 Yhelbruna (LN female human Clr6/Wiz12/Hatran10) (p147 Unapproachable East)
21 Lallara (CE female human Abj10/Red10/Acm1) (p278 FRCS)
21 Deltagar Zelhund (LE male human Wiz18/Lor2/Acm1) (p111 Lords of Darkness)
21 Rhodea Firehair (NG female human Evoker18/Halruaan Elder3) (p134 Shining South) ###DECEASED###
20 Talatha Vaerovree of Innarlith (Female human Wiz17/Acm3) (p187 Magic of Faerun)
20 Malaggar Xarann (CE male drow Enchanter20) (p175 Underdark)
20 Srivven (NE male Mulan human Wiz18/Acm2) (Adaerglast, the Land of Mages)
20 Flammuldinath "Firefingers" Thuldoum (CG male human Wiz20) (p161 FRCS)
20 Antatlab of the Shaking Stones (LE male drow Wiz13/Elemental Savant7) (p175 Underdark)
20 Gromph Baenre (NE male drow Diviner 16/Acm4) (p161 Underdark)
20 Hadrhune (NE male shade Wiz10/Sha10) (p83 Lords of Darkness)
20 Jaluth "Snakeface" Alaerth (CE female human Wiz20) (p111 Lords of Darkness)
20 Slarkrethel (NE male kraken Sor20) (p74 Waterdeep: City of Splendors)
20 Thurndan Tallwand (CE male human Wiz20) (p90 Mysteries of the Moonsea)
20 Savengriff (LG male Illuskan human Wiz20) (p31 Waterdeep: City of Splendors)
20 Othur Roonsundyr (CN male human Wiz20) (p109 Waterdeep: City of Splendors)
20 Phindounma the Abominable (NE phaerimm Sor20) (p166 Underdark)
20 Mythrellaa (CE female human Ill10/Red7/Sha3) (p278 FRCS)
20 Durendair "Greenshadow" Hammask (NG male Illuskan human Wiz14/Horizon Walker4/MysticTheurge2; Str 17, Dex 16, Int 18, Wis 18)
20 Kappiyan Flurmastyr (NG male Tethyrian human Wiz7/MasterAlchemist10/Loremaster3) (p31 Waterdeep: City of Splendors)
20 Amaryth Delbara (CG female Illuskan human Sor14/Incantatrix6) (http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/frbk/20060705a)
20 Flyndara Rildar (CN female Tethyrian human Wiz14/Sor6)
20 Melegaunt Tanthul (LE male shade Div16/Sha4) (p83 Lords of Darkness) ###DECEASED###
20 The Farseer (LN male Tashlutan human Clr8 of Savras/Diviner10/MysticTheurge10) (p126 Serpent Kingdoms)
20 Zannaster (LE male Chondathan human Necromancer5/Wearer of Purple10/Acm5) (p55 Dragons of Faerun)
20 Alathene Moonstar (CG archlich [augmented Illuskan human] Wiz15/ArcaneDevotee5[Selune]) (p62 Waterdeep: City of Splendors)
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| 30 L A T E S T R E P L I E S (Newest First) |
| Ifthir |
Posted - 03 Aug 2012 : 04:27:05
Sure, wouldn't hurt.
Anything I am missing. |
| coach |
Posted - 11 Jul 2012 : 07:25:57
question:
would you need spellcasters that are canonically known to exist in 3e "era" in the Realms but were not statted since 2e? |
| Gavinfoxx |
Posted - 16 Jun 2012 : 21:47:07
Looking at this list... does anyone know why the 3.5e FR spellcasters are so horrendously optimized? I mean, the sorts of numbers they are given can't be the best way to actually describe their activities in the various novels and sources which preceded the writeups of the caster in question, can it? What were the designers thinking when they made most of these casters? |
| Ifthir |
Posted - 10 Apr 2012 : 03:20:58
RE: The 6 archmage levels...totally right. To me it's errata but was it ever posted as such? |
| Ifthir |
Posted - 10 Apr 2012 : 03:20:28
Eli, you are right I totally should have posted arcane spellcasting levels.
I did look at adventures...not sure any of them have anyone over 20 arcane casting levels but if you spot one please please post it here!
The goal is for a 3ed MUD based very strictly on 3ed FR tabletop rules. I have every accessory/adventure for 3ed and it will make getting it coded much easier :) |
| Eli the Tanner |
Posted - 09 Apr 2012 : 04:43:44
Ifthir I'm curious about what you are collecting all these arcane spellcasting levels for, sounds like it might be quite interesting. Especially as you are collecting such a specific array from 3ed (as opposed to the Realms as a whole)
Also using the phrase Arcane Spellcasting Levels might be clearer than caster levels.
Lastly are you including spellcasters from 3ed adventures aswell like City of the Spider Queen and Anauroch: the Empire of Shade etc. as I think those may some powerful caster still out there. |
| Light |
Posted - 08 Apr 2012 : 03:24:13
quote:
Originally posted by Ifthir
30 High Lord Planner Illis Khendarhine (LN male deep Imaskari Sor4/Wiz20/Acm6) (p138 Underdark)
I've never liked this. 6 levels in archmage? I can't make up my mind whether it's a mistake and it should be deducted entirely or just given to wizard or sorcer. Or maybe he is just plain awesome and did something that even 4,600+ year-old Ioulaum couldn't do.
Also about this character, any guesses on how old he is? I read it a while back and was fairly sure he wasn't back from Imaskar's height but could we assume he'd be over 1,000? Or is he a youngling on the grand stage of wizards. |
| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 04 Apr 2012 : 22:57:49
There once was a scroll in the 'Keep...
And among topics it did leap!
It lost its way,
Went quite astray,
And now it is lost in the deep! |
| Imp |
Posted - 04 Apr 2012 : 21:36:42
When people read "caster levels" they think "caster levels in a particular class", not all caster levels of all classes. Specify it in the OP, because you're just confusing people. |
| Ifthir |
Posted - 04 Apr 2012 : 19:22:13
The op says caster levels. Not caster level. I dont know how I could have made it clearer without mentioning the fact that I was looking for arcane specific caster levels but the list is evident of that as is the math.
Again was just looking for possible omissions.
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| Kilvan |
Posted - 04 Apr 2012 : 19:17:44
quote:
Originally posted by Ifthir
caster level <> caster levels
please re-read OP
Hey, I'm just trying to help you out. What you asked was not clear, and to be frank, doesn't make much sense without knowing why you need something so unusual and specific.
You ask for top spellcasters, use terms like "CL" is a different way then it is normally used (see my post above), then add parameters (no divine or racial) to your query afterwards.
Go back to your OP, and make it clear please before asking people to re-read.
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| Kilvan |
Posted - 04 Apr 2012 : 19:06:11
quote:
Originally posted by Ifthir
quote:
So arcane only, no racial traits, and you combine all levels even from different sources. Ok, well then I can't think of any omissions in your list.
what do you mean combine levels from different sources?
what different sources combined levels?
Wizard and sorcerer are different sources, both arcane, and normally aren't added for CL purposes. |
| Ifthir |
Posted - 04 Apr 2012 : 19:05:09
quote:
Originally posted by Kilvan
quote:
Originally posted by Aulduron
I haven't played in a couple of editions. What are CR and CL?
A Caster level is, unlike the OP's definition, the amount on levels considered when a caster uses one of his spells
caster level <> caster levels
please re-read OP |
| Ifthir |
Posted - 04 Apr 2012 : 19:03:41
quote:
So arcane only, no racial traits, and you combine all levels even from different sources. Ok, well then I can't think of any omissions in your list.
what do you mean combine levels from different sources?
what different sources combined levels? |
| Kilvan |
Posted - 04 Apr 2012 : 18:41:22
quote:
Originally posted by Ifthir
I am only counting arcane spellcaster levels and only those provided by given stats, not base for race or template. There is a reason for this but it is irrelevant.
I am really looking for potential omissions, not corrections to an incorrect assumption.
So arcane only, no racial traits, and you combine all levels even from different sources. Ok, well then I can't think of any omissions in your list.
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| Kilvan |
Posted - 04 Apr 2012 : 18:37:47
quote:
Originally posted by Aulduron
I haven't played in a couple of editions. What are CR and CL?
A Caster level is, unlike the OP's definition, the amount on levels considered when a caster uses one of his spells
i.e. an elf warrior with 4 levels in fighter and 5 in wizard
He casts a fireball (1d6 damage / caster level), it would do 5d6 damage.
A challenge rating for a monster, or effective character level (ECL) for a PC, is a method to quantify how powerful a creature is.
In the above example, while the warrior's CL is only 5, his fighter levels should be considered in his global power. His CR, or ECL, is his combined levels, so 9 in this case.
Note that a character can have more than 1 CL if he gains spellcasting abilities from more than 1 source, like Elminster with his cleric levels. |
| Imp |
Posted - 04 Apr 2012 : 18:19:08
It would be helpful to explain it better in the first post, because it's still misleading. |
| Ifthir |
Posted - 04 Apr 2012 : 18:02:52
CR is challenge rating CL is caster level.
I realize my initial post may have been misleading. Again this is arcane levels in caster classes. Not racial caster levels. |
| Aulduron |
Posted - 04 Apr 2012 : 17:49:58
I haven't played in a couple of editions. What are CR and CL? |
| Ifthir |
Posted - 04 Apr 2012 : 17:40:57
quote:
Originally posted by Kilvan
quote:
Originally posted by Ifthir
I am not trying to stat their effective caster level but the total levels in caster classes.
Then Elminster is CL 32 by your definition
Daurgothoth is CL 40 (Great wyrm black dragons are sorcerer 15)
Ioulaum is CL 61 (elder brains are wizard or psion 20)
Laeral is CL 26 (7 ranger = CL 3)
Yhelbruna is CL 28
The Farseer is CL 38 (10 Mystic theurge = 10 arcane and 10 divine)
I'm not sure how useful this definition is (or any NPC stats IMO), but there you have it straight.
I am only counting arcane spellcaster levels and only those provided by given stats, not base for race or template. There is a reason for this but it is irrelevant.
I am really looking for potential omissions, not corrections to an incorrect assumption. |
| Kilvan |
Posted - 04 Apr 2012 : 16:44:38
Oh, and you missed the the most powerful Shade prince at LoD p.83
Rivalen Thantul (Wiz 11/ Clr 15/ Sha 7 of Shar) = CL 33
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| Kilvan |
Posted - 04 Apr 2012 : 16:22:17
quote:
Originally posted by Ifthir
I am not trying to stat their effective caster level but the total levels in caster classes.
Then Elminster is CL 32 by your definition
Daurgothoth is CL 40 (Great wyrm black dragons are sorcerer 15)
Ioulaum is CL 61 (elder brains are wizard or psion 20)
Laeral is CL 26 (7 ranger = CL 3)
Yhelbruna is CL 28
The Farseer is CL 38 (10 Mystic theurge = 10 arcane and 10 divine)
I'm not sure how useful this definition is (or any NPC stats IMO), but there you have it straight. |
| Ifthir |
Posted - 04 Apr 2012 : 16:03:13
I am not trying to stat their effective caster level but the total levels in caster classes. |
| Kilvan |
Posted - 04 Apr 2012 : 15:45:09
Some other characters from your list, like Laeral (wizard and ranger), have the same mistake BTW. |
| Kilvan |
Posted - 04 Apr 2012 : 15:42:57
When she casts a spell, she has 2 pools to choose from; her sorcerer's, in which she has 22 levels, and her wizard's, where she has 10. The potency of either pool will be dependant on her CL, 22 or 10. 32 is her CR, which adds all her levels from any classes.
Take Elminster for example, he has 3 levels in cleric, but 29 in wizard. Therefore, his CL is either 3 or 29, not 32. |
| Imp |
Posted - 04 Apr 2012 : 15:37:26
quote:
Originally posted by Ifthir
32 The Simbul (CN female human Sor20/Acm2/Wiz10) (p112 Unapproachable East)
Not sure what you mean by that, her CL in this case is 32?
You say that you list them by CL, but you listed Simbul by CR. |
| Ifthir |
Posted - 04 Apr 2012 : 14:27:14
32 The Simbul (CN female human Sor20/Acm2/Wiz10) (p112 Unapproachable East)
Not sure what you mean by that, her CL in this case is 32? |
| Kilvan |
Posted - 04 Apr 2012 : 13:49:43
Hmmm, isnt The Simbul CL 22 in one class and 10 in the other? 32 is her CR in this case. Far from an actual CL 32 IMO.
Note that both those CL could have a +4 bonus with the right feat (practiced spellcaster twice). |
| Lord Karsus |
Posted - 03 Apr 2012 : 22:20:31
quote:
Originally posted by Aulduron
Was Jaylnfein (CN Drow wiz24) (Drow of the Underdark) 2E or 3E?
-Second edition. He's mentioned in Drizzt Do'Urden's Guide to the Underdark. |
| Aulduron |
Posted - 03 Apr 2012 : 19:47:12
Was Jaylnfein (CN Drow wiz24) (Drow of the Underdark) 2E or 3E?
Does the Srinshee count? |
