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| HelldoG |
Posted - 24 Jul 2010 : 23:19:55
I read in one of the FR handbooks (don't remerber which) that a portfolio can be shared between to gods if they're from two different pantheons.
And here is my question: I could ascend some mortal drow to the position of a drow god/godess of lust (something like Sharess)? Or would it be better to just spread the faith of Sharess in drow communities? |
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| Alystra Illianniis |
Posted - 26 Jul 2010 : 20:56:10
I'd say divide the domain between the two- Lust as pertaining to self to Lolth, and the more pleasure-oriented aspect to Eilistraee- that way, they could fight over followers on ANOTHER level!!! You know, one-upping each other over whose clerics make better lovers.... ;) |
| Zireael |
Posted - 26 Jul 2010 : 11:01:05
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Originally posted by Kentinal
There is/was a Goddess (depending on Edition) was a goddess of Pleasure, it was more overt because of the censorship however Eilistraee did favor and bless lovers and acts of love (Which cause Pleasure). This however should not be considered the same as Lust, Lust can too often provide pleasure to one and harm to other(s).
Well, I know why HelldoG asked the question, so this is a matter of lust rather than pleasure. And here Eilistraee doesn't help. |
| Kentinal |
Posted - 26 Jul 2010 : 02:34:54
There is/was a Goddess (depending on Edition) was a goddess of Pleasure, it was more overt because of the censorship however Eilistraee did favor and bless lovers and acts of love (Which cause Pleasure). This however should not be considered the same as Lust, Lust can too often provide pleasure to one and harm to other(s). |
| The Sage |
Posted - 26 Jul 2010 : 01:45:05
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Originally posted by HelldoG
And here is the part about making them less evil. Lust is a strong motivator, so using it to change someone is kinda easy, I think.
Lust can be a very powerful motivator, and can be responsible for plunging even the noblest soul into the depths of evil. We need only look to the fall of Anakin Skywalker and the birth of Darth Vader to acknowledge this. |
| Zireael |
Posted - 25 Jul 2010 : 18:19:32
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
quote:
Originally posted by HelldoG
And here is the part about making them less evil. Lust is a strong motivator, so using it to change someone is kinda easy, I think.
I'm not so sure about that. Lust is still generally about the self -- it's about wanting pleasure from another, and not so much about wanting to share or give pleasure to another.
Yeah. And I agree with the above post too. So the safest route is to forget about making drow less evil and give the Lust domain to Lloth.
Zi |
| Dalor Darden |
Posted - 25 Jul 2010 : 18:04:08
I'll go with Wooly on this one: Lust is about the self.
On the topic: I would think Lloth would crap bricks if someone tried to muscle in on her black leather domination of the Drow.
Just my take though. |
| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 25 Jul 2010 : 17:17:34
quote:
Originally posted by HelldoG
And here is the part about making them less evil. Lust is a strong motivator, so using it to change someone is kinda easy, I think.
I'm not so sure about that. Lust is still generally about the self -- it's about wanting pleasure from another, and not so much about wanting to share or give pleasure to another. |
| HelldoG |
Posted - 25 Jul 2010 : 16:06:12
And here is the part about making them less evil. Lust is a strong motivator, so using it to change someone is kinda easy, I think. |
| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 25 Jul 2010 : 15:28:45
Given the nature of drow, I'm not sure they can have a goddess of pleasure... A deity like that would concern herself with the giving and receiving of pleasure -- and most drow are going to be far more concerned with receiving, rather than giving. Sure, it takes two to tango, but from what we've seen of drow, we know that most of the givers of pleasure are either going to be doing it because it's their obligation or as a means of personal advancement. Even two willing partners are more likely to be concerned with pleasure received, rather than pleasure given/shared.
Drow society isn't about giving anything without getting some benefit in return. |
| Kiaransalyn |
Posted - 25 Jul 2010 : 14:51:23
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Originally posted by HelldoG
Hm... My idea was to make a CN female drow NPC from the surface persuade evil dark elves from the Underdark cities to become less evil by the means of seduction and pleasure.
Many dark elves would probably greatly enjoy being seduced and pleasured, but she would have to be pretty damn good in bed (and out of it) to persuade them to change their ways.
It may be that she teaches them that true pleasure comes from love and trust. There could possible be an aspect of Eilistraee devoted to this way of bringing elves to the light.
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Originally posted by HelldoGHer deification was to be unintentional (she didn't want to become a god).
I can see a problem here, she would have to accept deification. Even if she didn't want to be a god, and didn't set out to be a deity, she would have to accept the responsibility at least.
This could happen if she only spent one night with each of her paramours, but she was so beautiful and so amazing that they couldn't stop dreaming about her and wanting her long after the event. They would try spells to remove her affect on them thinking they had been charmed only to realise that they hadn't been ensorcelled.
And then they would realise they were in love with her. They'd try ways to find her but fail, then begin speaking to her hoping she would hear, an action akin to praying. If enough did this she may become a deity, but again the chances are she would be offered the opportunity.
I'm not trying to knock your idea down, I'm just giving you my opinion.  |
| Zireael |
Posted - 25 Jul 2010 : 10:35:20
Is that connected to our little gaming session, HelldoG? 
Regardless, I'd say you could safely make a drow venerating Sharess. The other way is to give priestesses of Lloth the Lust domain from Spell Compendium.
Zireael
P.S. I don't think the drow need a deity specifically regarding pleasure. Look at Vierna! You can venerate Spider Queen and focus on you-know-what. |
| HelldoG |
Posted - 25 Jul 2010 : 00:21:22
Hm... My idea was to make a CN female drow NPC from the surface persuade evil dark elves from the Underdark cities to become less evil by the means of seduction and pleasure. Her deification was to be unintentional (she didn't want to become a god). |
| Kiaransalyn |
Posted - 24 Jul 2010 : 23:40:23
quote:
Originally posted by HelldoG
I read in one of the FR handbooks (don't remerber which) that a portfolio can be shared between to gods if they're from two different pantheons.
And here is my question: I could ascend some mortal drow to the position of a drow god/godess of lust (something like Sharess)? Or would it be better to just spread the faith of Sharess in drow communities?
You could elevate a mortal drow to being the deity of lust, but there are a number of deities who fulfil that role already. Kiaransalee, Vhaeraun and Lolth could all be said to typify the drow lust for revenge. Obviously, one might say that passionate lust is different to vengeful lust, but what would most drow get really passionate about except increasing station and status, and making someone else suffer for it on the way.
That's one argument.
Returning to your comment about Sharess, there's no reason why she shouldn't be worshipped as the drow goddess of pleasure, particularly if she takes the form of Zandilar - who seduced Vhaeraun, gave birth to Selvetarm and at some point became/merged with Sharess. :) |
| Kajehase |
Posted - 24 Jul 2010 : 23:37:04
The question is, if the drow had a god(ess) making sure they got to feel pleasure at reasonably regular basis, would they still be as evil as we like them to be? |
| Dracons |
Posted - 24 Jul 2010 : 23:27:35
It is reasonable, as they drow pantheon is different from the standard. |
