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| SiriusBlack |
Posted - 05 Apr 2005 : 16:06:29
I found the following over on ENWorld:
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Paizo Publishing has announced that they will be selling out-of-print back issues of Dragon as PDFs:
Ever since the release of the now out-of-print Dragon Magazine Archive CD-ROM set, fans have been clamoring for us to release newer issues in PDF form. Wizards of the Coast has graciously allowed us to rerelease issues that have sold out in print form. Starting with [issue 310 of Dragon], we will be putting up PDF versions of these out-of-print magazines on a regular basis.
Each issue contains all of the articles from that issue, minus the third-party advertisements. We’ve also received permission from most of the comics artists to include their strips in each issue, [except] Phil Foglio's What’s New with Phil & Dixie. Special items, [such as] the Dungeon Master’s Screen that came with that [issue], are...not available in the PDF downloads.
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| Xysma |
Posted - 11 May 2005 : 21:57:12
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Originally posted by SiriusBlack
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Interesting... Have they said how much this will cost? And are there going to be options like buying several issues at once for a lesser price?
And what about the 60-issue gap between this offering, and the original Archive?
I finally got the Paizo link to work. There is no mention of the gap or discounts on multiple issues. I'm going to go out on a limb here and say no chance for the latter. But, the first issue available as a PDF indicates a price of $4.95. Is that more or less for what it went in print? Regardless, when shipping is factored in, I'm sure the cost of the PDF will be less. However, some consumers will still prefer print over electronic versions of a product.
I guess that's not too bad, the older back issues go fro $10 on the Paizo site right now. I know I paid that much to complete my 3ed Dragon collection. |
| warlockco |
Posted - 12 Apr 2005 : 02:37:59
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by warlockco
Not quite the same price. After all these are Back Issues. Have you seen the Price List for their Back Issues? Most are in the $10-$15 dollar range, plus Shipping.
How do you copy and paste from a PDF to word?!? I need to know 
Yeah, but if you've already spent cover price on a back issue, as many of us have, would you want to spend it again on the pdf?
The Dragon Magazine Archive CD-ROM cost, as I recall, $50 retail. And it included not only 250 issues of Dragon in pdf, but also the six or seven issues of Dragon's predecessor, The Strategic Review. That's a hair under 20 cents an issue.
As for cutting and pasting from pdf into Word, it's easy -- just use the text select in Acrobat, copy it to the Clipboard, and then drop it in Word. It's just like cutting and pasting anything else, except the formatting in pdfs is sometimes (usually!) really weird when you copy it to Word.
Most Excellent.
Thanks for all who responded. |
| SirUrza |
Posted - 11 Apr 2005 : 18:45:28
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
I've never been unable to do it...
Don't use OCR. :) |
| Kajehase |
Posted - 11 Apr 2005 : 16:49:55
Same here, unless the file have been compiled from picture-files only with no OCR made.
As for how to copy-paste from a pdf: Click the text-button, drag the mouse-cursor across the text you want to copy, click Ctrl-C or use the same command in the Edit-roll-down window, then open a .txt, .doc, or other word-processing file, and paste it in. |
| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 11 Apr 2005 : 05:21:47
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Originally posted by SirUrza
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Originally posted by warlockco
How do you copy and paste from a PDF to word?!? I need to know
That depends on how the PDF is made. The smallest file size doesn't let you select the text though.
I've never been unable to do it... |
| SirUrza |
Posted - 11 Apr 2005 : 04:05:33
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Originally posted by warlockco
How do you copy and paste from a PDF to word?!? I need to know
That depends on how the PDF is made. The smallest file size doesn't let you select the text though. |
| SiriusBlack |
Posted - 11 Apr 2005 : 00:59:26
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
As for cutting and pasting from pdf into Word, it's easy -- just use the text select in Acrobat, copy it to the Clipboard, and then drop it in Word. It's just like cutting and pasting anything else, except the formatting in pdfs is sometimes (usually!) really weird when you copy it to Word.
That's putting it mildly. Still, as long as I can do that, I'll most likely purchase some PDFs for new products that WOTC offers via online vendors. |
| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 11 Apr 2005 : 00:48:09
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Originally posted by warlockco
Not quite the same price. After all these are Back Issues. Have you seen the Price List for their Back Issues? Most are in the $10-$15 dollar range, plus Shipping.
How do you copy and paste from a PDF to word?!? I need to know
Yeah, but if you've already spent cover price on a back issue, as many of us have, would you want to spend it again on the pdf?
The Dragon Magazine Archive CD-ROM cost, as I recall, $50 retail. And it included not only 250 issues of Dragon in pdf, but also the six or seven issues of Dragon's predecessor, The Strategic Review. That's a hair under 20 cents an issue.
As for cutting and pasting from pdf into Word, it's easy -- just use the text select in Acrobat, copy it to the Clipboard, and then drop it in Word. It's just like cutting and pasting anything else, except the formatting in pdfs is sometimes (usually!) really weird when you copy it to Word. |
| warlockco |
Posted - 10 Apr 2005 : 22:44:23
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by SiriusBlack
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Interesting... Have they said how much this will cost? And are there going to be options like buying several issues at once for a lesser price?
And what about the 60-issue gap between this offering, and the original Archive?
I finally got the Paizo link to work. There is no mention of the gap or discounts on multiple issues. I'm going to go out on a limb here and say no chance for the latter. But, the first issue available as a PDF indicates a price of $4.95. Is that more or less for what it went in print? Regardless, when shipping is factored in, I'm sure the cost of the PDF will be less. However, some consumers will still prefer print over electronic versions of a product.
Ugh... Again they want the exact same price for a pdf as they do for a print copy. 
I realize that the searchable feature of pdfs is a good thing, but I still prefer having a print copy in my hand. I'd gladly pay an extra buck or two to get a pdf with a print copy, but if the price is the same on both, I'm going for the printed edition instead. I'm certainly not shelling out the same amount for a pdf.
Not quite the same price. After all these are Back Issues. Have you seen the Price List for their Back Issues? Most are in the $10-$15 dollar range, plus Shipping.
How do you copy and paste from a PDF to word?!? I need to know |
| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 10 Apr 2005 : 16:46:53
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Originally posted by SiriusBlack
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Originally posted by Lord Rad
As it stands, I won't be shelling out for this, they'll have to do MUCH better than that.
If more consumers take a stand like that, perhaps they will lower the price. If you and WR are the exceptions rather than the rule, well...
Well, we are exceptional gents...   |
| SiriusBlack |
Posted - 10 Apr 2005 : 15:37:17
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Originally posted by Lord Rad
As it stands, I won't be shelling out for this, they'll have to do MUCH better than that.
If more consumers take a stand like that, perhaps they will lower the price. If you and WR are the exceptions rather than the rule, well... |
| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 10 Apr 2005 : 15:00:59
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Originally posted by Lord Rad
I was happy to hear this at first and whilst I don't have any gaps in the physical magazines, I would have liked to have continued the PDF collection to accompany the Archives CD collection. I don't understand why they can't bridge the gap from issue 250-310 which makes it a little pointless for some. The price is also far too much. I'd expect to pay that price for a collection of say, 5 issues.
As it stands, I won't be shelling out for this, they'll have to do MUCH better than that.
Agreed, on all counts. |
| Lord Rad |
Posted - 10 Apr 2005 : 10:12:20
I was happy to hear this at first and whilst I don't have any gaps in the physical magazines, I would have liked to have continued the PDF collection to accompany the Archives CD collection. I don't understand why they can't bridge the gap from issue 250-310 which makes it a little pointless for some. The price is also far too much. I'd expect to pay that price for a collection of say, 5 issues.
As it stands, I won't be shelling out for this, they'll have to do MUCH better than that. |
| SiriusBlack |
Posted - 10 Apr 2005 : 05:50:54
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Now that I could go for, assuming the price was reasonable.
Well if I recall correctly, the online vendor I mentioned charges an extra $6.95 for shipping a CD with the PDFs on it in addition to the price for downloading the PDFs online. |
| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 10 Apr 2005 : 05:34:00
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Originally posted by SirUrza
Maybe when they have a significant number of PDF'd issues, they'll sell CD bundles.
Now that I could go for, assuming the price was reasonable. |
| SirUrza |
Posted - 10 Apr 2005 : 05:30:21
I'm talking about something like the old Archives CD. |
| SiriusBlack |
Posted - 10 Apr 2005 : 05:19:29
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Originally posted by SirUrza
Maybe when they have a significant number of PDF'd issues, they'll sell CD bundles.
It's something new for Paizo so perhaps. I know that another online vendor that sells PDFs offers a "Burn to CD" offer to consumers. For an extra fee, besides being able to download the PDF, a CD with the file is sent in the mail. No idea if Paizo will ever offer something like that or if the fear of piracy will cause them to stay away from such offers. |
| SirUrza |
Posted - 10 Apr 2005 : 04:50:06
Maybe when they have a significant number of PDF'd issues, they'll sell CD bundles. |
| SiriusBlack |
Posted - 09 Apr 2005 : 00:51:45
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
And they'd bear slogans like: "I survived the attack on Mithril Hall and all I got was this stupid T-shirt." 
I dare you. Email Paizo Publishing Customer Service and ask them if they give out a free Drizzt T-shirt with every PDF order. Do it. You like to cause mischief.  |
| Reefy |
Posted - 08 Apr 2005 : 23:59:34
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by SiriusBlack
Sirius who reminds everyone that if he was in charge, there would be Drizzt T-Shirt sales at every R.A. Salvatore book signing.
And they'd bear slogans like: "I survived the attack on Mithril Hall and all I got was this stupid T-shirt."
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| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 07 Apr 2005 : 11:35:32
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Originally posted by SiriusBlack
Sirius who reminds everyone that if he was in charge, there would be Drizzt T-Shirt sales at every R.A. Salvatore book signing.
And they'd bear slogans like: "I survived the attack on Mithril Hall and all I got was this stupid T-shirt." |
| SiriusBlack |
Posted - 07 Apr 2005 : 07:23:11
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
I hate to say this, but I think it is the latter... Especially since we're speaking of back issues, here.
Again, if consumers are going to purchase the PDFs at those prices, I can't fault WOTC for selling them. And, they must know something as a business if they are listing them at the print price.
Sirius who reminds everyone that if he was in charge, there would be Drizzt T-Shirt sales at every R.A. Salvatore book signing. |
| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 07 Apr 2005 : 06:11:28
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Originally posted by SiriusBlack
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Originally posted by Realmslore
I always thought the rising costs for gaming material was do to printing costs. If so, why then would the PDFs cost the same as a print copy?
Fear that if they don't do that, sales in print might go down because people will pay for the cheaper PDF? 
Or just the normal desire of a company to make the most in profit they can get?
I hate to say this, but I think it is the latter... Especially since we're speaking of back issues, here. |
| SiriusBlack |
Posted - 07 Apr 2005 : 03:59:21
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Originally posted by Realmslore
I always thought the rising costs for gaming material was do to printing costs. If so, why then would the PDFs cost the same as a print copy?
Fear that if they don't do that, sales in print might go down because people will pay for the cheaper PDF?
Or just the normal desire of a company to make the most in profit they can get? |
| Brian R. James |
Posted - 07 Apr 2005 : 00:34:30
I always thought the rising costs for gaming material was do to printing costs. If so, why then would the PDFs cost the same as a print copy? |
| SiriusBlack |
Posted - 06 Apr 2005 : 15:23:42
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
The Archive CD-ROMs had the issues in pdf. I've freely cut and pasted to Word from them...
The CDs...I'm curious about the PDFs that WOTC offers via drivethru for current releases. I'll have to bite the bullet and take the plunge perhaps if I see something there that I like. LEOF is the only one I can think of that would fit that description. |
| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 06 Apr 2005 : 11:30:14
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Originally posted by SiriusBlack
The only advantage I personally see in a PDF of say the LEOF, is if I wanted to take something from the PDF and copy/paste it into Word so I could modify and then print it out for use during a game session. But, I'm not even sure, can that be done with the PDFs that WOTC is selling or have they disabled this feature?
The Archive CD-ROMs had the issues in pdf. I've freely cut and pasted to Word from them... |
| The Sage |
Posted - 06 Apr 2005 : 08:55:20
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Originally posted by SiriusBlack
The only advantage I personally see in a PDF of say the LEOF, is if I wanted to take something from the PDF and copy/paste it into Word so I could modify and then print it out for use during a game session.
Something I can agree with. I've also, in the past, combined sections from one or more PDFs for use in either campaigns, or as reference material.
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| Kuje |
Posted - 06 Apr 2005 : 06:18:54
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Originally posted by SiriusBlack
The only advantage I personally see in a PDF of say the LEOF, is if I wanted to take something from the PDF and copy/paste it into Word so I could modify and then print it out for use during a game session. But, I'm not even sure, can that be done with the PDFs that WOTC is selling or have they disabled this feature?
Not sure. :) Besides, as I mentioned before, I have TSR's CD's so I can do the same thing except up to issue 251 which then I have as a hard copy and I can just photocopy. :) |
| SiriusBlack |
Posted - 06 Apr 2005 : 06:07:30
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Originally posted by kuje31
I've said it before. I hate PDF's. :) I want the real book/magazine in my hands and also because I hate reading long passages of text over the moniter. It makes my eyes ache.
The only advantage I personally see in a PDF of say the LEOF, is if I wanted to take something from the PDF and copy/paste it into Word so I could modify and then print it out for use during a game session. But, I'm not even sure, can that be done with the PDFs that WOTC is selling or have they disabled this feature? |
