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| The Red Walker |
Posted - 17 Nov 2009 : 19:55:22
This has to be great news for anyone with a hope of a FR film project in the future. It is for HBO(who may have partnered with the BBC for some $$)and with an eye on having a full season of 14 or so episodes for each of his seven planned novles in the series, which he will continue working on as well as writting one episode per season for the show.
According to George himself(http://grrm.livejournal.com/)
he is in Morroco right now and shooting for the pilot is wrapping up....apparently they are using some of the sets there Ridley Scott built to represent Jeruselum in Kingdom Of Heaven.
I would have to think if it goes well it could only be good for any fantasy projects in the future. Just thinking of future possibilities is very exciting for any fantasy fiction fan!
The success of this would have to be crucial to any futre FR film/TV possibilities...
Anthe Wiki has an almost complete list of the Cast....some amazing actors are in great parts...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Game_of_Thrones_(TV_series) |
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| The Red Walker |
Posted - 05 Dec 2009 : 15:22:48
With the pilot in post-production, GRRM has been told he would hear from HBO by march if the series is given a greenlight. Lets hope the sooner the better so filming on the series can get rolling!
Although one thing could derail or hamper a early spring start to filming....apparently the actress portraying Cersei is pregnant....not enough that it hurt the pilot, but according to the actor that plays her brother Jaime, she had to have a body double stand in for their nude scene. She would be fairly far along by march! |
| Firestorm |
Posted - 24 Nov 2009 : 21:41:49
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Originally posted by Kajehase
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Originally posted by Firestorm
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Originally posted by Uzzy
4 so far. The 5th is meant to be coming out sometime this decade, but who really knows. There are plans for 7 in total.
And Robert Jordan planned on writing the entire Wheel of time in 8 books.
It's worse than that - originally it was meant to be 4 or 5 books. I'm perfectly fine with the way it's turned out, though (other than Jordan popping his cork before finishing, obviously) - I like authors who allow (and are allowed to let) their characters and plots to move at a slow and steady pace rather than just rush things through and interjects yet another action-sequence every third or fourth chapter.
The problem is, Jordan went from great pacing and storytelling, to slug slow pacing and meaningless additions. He became obsessed with useless detail.
The entire book 10 was an embarrassment to the series. Its pretty bad when you can completely skip an entire book and not miss a beat in the series because all it was was unimportant filler. |
| Kajehase |
Posted - 24 Nov 2009 : 15:20:28
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Originally posted by Firestorm
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Originally posted by Uzzy
4 so far. The 5th is meant to be coming out sometime this decade, but who really knows. There are plans for 7 in total.
And Robert Jordan planned on writing the entire Wheel of time in 8 books.
It's worse than that - originally it was meant to be 4 or 5 books. I'm perfectly fine with the way it's turned out, though (other than Jordan popping his cork before finishing, obviously) - I like authors who allow (and are allowed to let) their characters and plots to move at a slow and steady pace rather than just rush things through and interjects yet another action-sequence every third or fourth chapter. |
| Firestorm |
Posted - 22 Nov 2009 : 23:53:40
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Originally posted by Uzzy
4 so far. The 5th is meant to be coming out sometime this decade, but who really knows. There are plans for 7 in total.
And Robert Jordan planned on writing the entire Wheel of time in 8 books.
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| Firestorm |
Posted - 22 Nov 2009 : 23:51:57
Yeah. Martin barely devotes any time to this series.
As a Writer, I love his work, but hate his lack of attention, or caring about time or getting the next book out.
His webpage is always filled with "I will be speaking and signing at Eason's Bookstore in Belfast, and I have finished writing 100 pages of the next book in the last year, which is great because I am always so busy wasting time with these book signings that I cannot write. 100 pages is excellent progress for a year's worth of work"
Literally. I am not kidding. The guy spends more time going out to signings and talking to people than he does breathing, and certainly more than he works on his books.
http://grrm.livejournal.com/92848.html
"I almost hate to say anything here, for fear of jinxing it... but for what it's worth, the last six weeks or so have been the most productive period I've had on A DANCE WITH DRAGONS in... well... a year at least, maybe several. In the last three days I've completed three new chapters. Not from scratch, mind you, these were all chapters that had been partially written, and in some cases rewritten, for months if not years. But they're finally done, and I've just reread them, and I'm almost convinced that they're Not Crap."
I swear to god.......
And now, all his time is devoted to the HBO show coming out.
Game of thrones was released in 1996, Clash of Kings in 1998, and Storm of Swords in 2000. Storm was one of the best books ever by any author. Then, GRRM starts falling in love with his newfound fame, and going to more and more booksignings and talks instead of writing(He even says as much in his blogs) we have a gigantic 5 year wait for Feast for Crows in 2005(Which turns out to be a very uneventful book as well, although still good), and now, almost 2010, and he has pushed the release date back every year(In fact, the last update he gave was in 2007 or early 2008). He needs a publisher that will force him to make drop dates and get work done.
Uzzy, I hate to say it, but you are right. The problem is, the new author who took over the Wheel of time actually won me over(I hate to trample on a favorite author's grave here). Sanderson cut to the chase and started skipping useless detail. If Jordan had written that book, I can almost certainly say, he would not have gotten a 3rd of that story into it, instead giving us more inane details(I mean, Jordan literally gave us entire chapters just to point out a girl's hair color at one point. Book 10 was by far the worst book ever, because absolutely nothing happened and you were left on the same cliffhangers as you were in book 9. You can literally skip book 10 and not miss anything in the series, and that is sad. Jordan became too obsessed with getting every detail in, including useless ones. Sanderson's book 12 was better and more eventful than either of Jordan's last books, and was just what the series needed.
GRRM needs to get his act together and start dedicating a few weeks a year to writing his series again instead of loving being famous.
I know several authors here may get defensive over these remarks about a fellow author, but for god's sakes, someone needs to say it.
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| Uzzy |
Posted - 22 Nov 2009 : 03:47:42
I would also point out one thing. GRR Martin, the author of these books, is already over 60 and isn't exactly in the best shape. He takes longer and longer writing these books and gets distracted with other projects quite easily. Now, we do all hope he gets another 40 years of life, but given what happened to the Wheel of Time series, well, I'm sure you understand what I'm getting at. |
| Brimstone |
Posted - 22 Nov 2009 : 01:53:13
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Originally posted by Uzzy
4 so far. The 5th is meant to be coming out sometime this decade, but who really knows. There are plans for 7 in total.
I see.
Thank you.
I guess I need to get more novels! |
| Quale |
Posted - 21 Nov 2009 : 16:30:14
Hope the series lasts to the third season, then the most interesting events start to happen. Guess then the fourth and the fifth season would be A Feast of Crows and A Dance of Dragons merged. |
| Uzzy |
Posted - 21 Nov 2009 : 15:41:37
4 so far. The 5th is meant to be coming out sometime this decade, but who really knows. There are plans for 7 in total. |
| Brimstone |
Posted - 21 Nov 2009 : 14:21:07
So how many books are in this series?
I saw a couple of these books at the Local Barnes and Noble. |
| Jorkens |
Posted - 21 Nov 2009 : 12:48:47
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Originally posted by Knight of the Gate
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Originally posted by Richard Lee Byers
I'm a fan of the books, and I will absolutely watch the show, but it's hard to believe we viewers will end up with any closure. After all, we didn't get it with Carnivale or Deadwood.
It DOES seem that HBO has forgotten it's formula for success: the Sopranos (against which all future HBO series will be judged for good or ill) wasn't a HUGE hit till season 3, and yet Deadwood, Rome, and Canivale all dies in the 2nd season.
In any case, I'm cautiously optimistic; I love these books, and am a little worried that the subtleties of the written series will be lost in a TV show, but the casting and the presence of GRRM on the production lead me to think (hope)that this will be done right. We shall see.
Well, Deadwood lasted three seasons. The series might have ended prematurely, but it at least had a sort of conclusion to many of the story lines. In a way it was fitting for the series to end as suddenly as it started with the whole thing becoming more or less a snapshot of a limited period.
I see the Sage has his moderators staff ready, so I will sneak back to my grumblery now. |
| Knight of the Gate |
Posted - 20 Nov 2009 : 18:52:36
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Originally posted by Richard Lee Byers
I'm a fan of the books, and I will absolutely watch the show, but it's hard to believe we viewers will end up with any closure. After all, we didn't get it with Carnivale or Deadwood.
It DOES seem that HBO has forgotten it's formula for success: the Sopranos (against which all future HBO series will be judged for good or ill) wasn't a HUGE hit till season 3, and yet Deadwood, Rome, and Canivale all dies in the 2nd season.
In any case, I'm cautiously optimistic; I love these books, and am a little worried that the subtleties of the written series will be lost in a TV show, but the casting and the presence of GRRM on the production lead me to think (hope)that this will be done right. We shall see. |
| Richard Lee Byers |
Posted - 20 Nov 2009 : 17:21:31
I'm a fan of the books, and I will absolutely watch the show, but it's hard to believe we viewers will end up with any closure. After all, we didn't get it with Carnivale or Deadwood. |
| Jorkens |
Posted - 20 Nov 2009 : 15:55:36
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Originally posted by Kajehase
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Originally posted by Icelander
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Originally posted by Firestorm
Yeah. Rome, despite a huge following, was canceled due to the enormous budget required to produce the show.
I cannot imagine a Fantasy world such as this one being much cheaper.
There's also the fact that continuining the series would have meant covering several decades of comparative peace, amity and boredom.
If someone wanted to make three or more series on the period, Caesar shouldn't have been killed until the end of the second season. Once you killed him, you pretty much committed to ending the series.
One series on Caesar and two or more after he was dead would have felt anti-climatic and poorly paced. I'm glad they didn't (not that I was happy with the pacing in the second season, I felt that it was stretched out compared to the first and that it focused on the wrong events).
Well, they could just have made a new version of I Claudius instead - no amity or boredom there (well, maybe a flash or hint of amity from time to time, and then Livia or Messalina enters the screen and the fun begins again).
I Claudius was a great series, unlike Rome which I hated. I think Deadwood'sthe only one of the recent big TV productions that I actually liked. As for A Game of Thrones; I was less than impressed with the first book and cant say that I am all that exited about seeing it on the screen. But that is a matter of personal taste of course. |
| Uzzy |
Posted - 20 Nov 2009 : 14:05:25
I think Lena Hedley has shown the right amount of sexy, 'mama bear' and cunning needed for the role of Cersei in her other roles. The vile evilness? Perhaps not yet. But at the very least, her name, along with Sean Bean will help to promote and sell the series. |
| Kajehase |
Posted - 20 Nov 2009 : 13:49:54
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Originally posted by Icelander
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Originally posted by Firestorm
Yeah. Rome, despite a huge following, was canceled due to the enormous budget required to produce the show.
I cannot imagine a Fantasy world such as this one being much cheaper.
There's also the fact that continuining the series would have meant covering several decades of comparative peace, amity and boredom.
If someone wanted to make three or more series on the period, Caesar shouldn't have been killed until the end of the second season. Once you killed him, you pretty much committed to ending the series.
One series on Caesar and two or more after he was dead would have felt anti-climatic and poorly paced. I'm glad they didn't (not that I was happy with the pacing in the second season, I felt that it was stretched out compared to the first and that it focused on the wrong events).
Well, they could just have made a new version of I Claudius instead - no amity or boredom there (well, maybe a flash or hint of amity from time to time, and then Livia or Messalina enters the screen and the fun begins again). |
| Quale |
Posted - 19 Nov 2009 : 18:56:40
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Originally posted by Firestorm
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Originally posted by Quale
Tyrion's casting is excellent, not happy with the choice for Cersei, maybe too dark
Really?
Personally, I did not think Peter Dinklage was ugly enough to be Tyrion, nor is his head big enough(Tyrion is suppose to have an abnormally large head)
With the right makeup I suppose......
Think he's ugly enough, generally the audience wouldn't care about him if he's really hideus, it could have an effect on the ratings. |
| Icelander |
Posted - 19 Nov 2009 : 16:22:47
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Originally posted by Firestorm
Yeah. Rome, despite a huge following, was canceled due to the enormous budget required to produce the show.
I cannot imagine a Fantasy world such as this one being much cheaper.
There's also the fact that continuining the series would have meant covering several decades of comparative peace, amity and boredom.
If someone wanted to make three or more series on the period, Caesar shouldn't have been killed until the end of the second season. Once you killed him, you pretty much committed to ending the series.
One series on Caesar and two or more after he was dead would have felt anti-climatic and poorly paced. I'm glad they didn't (not that I was happy with the pacing in the second season, I felt that it was stretched out compared to the first and that it focused on the wrong events). |
| Firestorm |
Posted - 19 Nov 2009 : 12:57:06
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Originally posted by Quale
Tyrion's casting is excellent, not happy with the choice for Cersei, maybe too dark
Really?
Personally, I did not think Peter Dinklage was ugly enough to be Tyrion, nor is his head big enough(Tyrion is suppose to have an abnormally large head)
With the right makeup I suppose......
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| Firestorm |
Posted - 19 Nov 2009 : 11:13:24
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Originally posted by Uzzy
Here's hoping that the pilot gets picked up and we see A Game of Thrones on the smallscreen. Hopefully it'll last more then the two seasons the awesome Rome got too.
Yeah. Rome, despite a huge following, was canceled due to the enormous budget required to produce the show.
I cannot imagine a Fantasy world such as this one being much cheaper. |
| Uzzy |
Posted - 18 Nov 2009 : 23:05:03
Here's hoping that the pilot gets picked up and we see A Game of Thrones on the smallscreen. Hopefully it'll last more then the two seasons the awesome Rome got too. |
| Knight of the Gate |
Posted - 18 Nov 2009 : 20:49:44
I am a HUGE GRRM fan, and heartily recommend westeros.org for lore on the ASoIaF world. Lore-wise it is to westeros as CK is to FR. Be aware, though, that the forum is (essentially) unmoderated, and lots of adult-type stuff goes on there, as well as flame wars, etc. The other sections of the site, however, are amazing, including fan art depicting the arms of all major and most minor Houses. |
| Diffan |
Posted - 18 Nov 2009 : 19:24:05
As far as the Legend of the Seeker's show goes, my wife and I really enjoyed the series, probably because we've never read any of the books. But I can see why some involved fans would be pissed because they really do take an abstract version from the books and apparently butcher them for TV, lol. And I did also hear they were coming out with a season 2 which I found to be very awesome!
I also did find this little beauty Jon Snow's sword http://www.valyriansteel.com/shop/images/uploads/vs0001d.jpg |
| Quale |
Posted - 18 Nov 2009 : 16:10:57
Tyrion's casting is excellent, not happy with the choice for Cersei, maybe too dark |
| The Red Walker |
Posted - 18 Nov 2009 : 13:58:14
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Originally posted by Icelander
I was nervous when I heard that ASoIaF was being filmed, but I've moved to cautiously optimistic when I heard that Sean Bean was cast as Eddard Stark. He's a perfect Ned and he's exactly who I pictured in my mind.
Here's hoping that it's as good as Rome. 
Here's hoping !
And here is some more casting info.....and the whole blog is a wealth of information:
http://winter-is-coming.blogspot.com/search/label/Casting
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| Erik Scott de Bie |
Posted - 18 Nov 2009 : 02:00:44
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Originally posted by Firestorm
Terry Goodkind said something along the lines of He refused a movie, but agreed to a TV show because he felt it would be ale to better capture the characters over a season. Afterwards, he claimed he had thought of continuing the Sword of Truth after the last book, but now never will because he is so embarrassed.
Well, that's a shame. Then again . . . it is just TV.
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Game of Thrones however, run by HBO, I can see sticking more to the plot and getting the blood, gore and evil good guys lose all the time mentality down.
Woot!
Cheers |
| Firestorm |
Posted - 18 Nov 2009 : 00:21:17
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Originally posted by Erik Scott de Bie
What's wrong with Legend of the Seeker?
I mean, if you know what to expect, that is.
It's the logical successor to Hercules and Xena--just kind of fun and entertaining, IMO. But to each his or her own, I suppose.
But Game of Thrones, yeah, that will be awesome. I've been looking forward to this for a long, long time.
Cheers
Legend of the seeker was good if you never read the books I suppose, and wanted a little Xena action.
However, they butchered the characters and story so badly that I wanted to vomit every second episode. I forced myself to watch the entire season just praying it would get better, only to be constantly facepalming.
Terry Goodkind said something along the lines of He refused a movie, but agreed to a TV show because he felt it would be ale to better capture the characters over a season. Afterwards, he claimed he had thought of continuing the Sword of Truth after the last book, but now never will because he is so embarrassed.
Game of Thrones however, run by HBO, I can see sticking more to the plot and getting the blood, gore and evil good guys lose all the time mentality down.
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| Icelander |
Posted - 17 Nov 2009 : 23:58:19
I was nervous when I heard that ASoIaF was being filmed, but I've moved to cautiously optimistic when I heard that Sean Bean was cast as Eddard Stark. He's a perfect Ned and he's exactly who I pictured in my mind.
Here's hoping that it's as good as Rome. |
| The Sage |
Posted - 17 Nov 2009 : 23:54:29
This is excellent news. Having just recently begun my introduction into GRRM's works, through A Game of Thrones, I'm eagerly intrigued by what this series will bring. |
| Erik Scott de Bie |
Posted - 17 Nov 2009 : 21:52:12
What's wrong with Legend of the Seeker?
I mean, if you know what to expect, that is.
It's the logical successor to Hercules and Xena--just kind of fun and entertaining, IMO. But to each his or her own, I suppose.
But Game of Thrones, yeah, that will be awesome. I've been looking forward to this for a long, long time.
Cheers |
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