| T O P I C R E V I E W |
| Uzzy |
Posted - 05 Dec 2007 : 19:52:09
The interview with Chris Perkins about 4th Edition Realms is up at Gamer Radio, right here.
http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=grz
I'm downloading it now! |
| 30 L A T E S T R E P L I E S (Newest First) |
| Rinonalyrna Fathomlin |
Posted - 30 Apr 2008 : 15:02:57
Heh. |
| MerrikCale |
Posted - 30 Apr 2008 : 03:30:56
quote:
Originally posted by ShepherdGunn
Here here, Rinona!
"here here Rinona"? I said it first. Is it because she's a girl |
| ShepherdGunn |
Posted - 28 Apr 2008 : 14:12:52
Here here, Rinona!
Personally, and I may be wrong on this, I've been thinking that the fans have been the only reason that Ed is on board with any of this. I kind of picture Ed tugging on his beard, furiously attempting to salvage what he can to preserve what he can of his vision.
I love what Brian James "the Chronologists" has done so far for the Realms, but as I've said before, every time Chris or Rich open their mouths, it's like some thousand mouth beast from the deepest depths crawling forth and singing the song that will end the world. |
| Rinonalyrna Fathomlin |
Posted - 28 Apr 2008 : 00:08:31
quote:
Originally posted by MerrikCale
I have every faith in Ed, its the rest of them thats the problem. I am quite confident in saying Ed would not have done this as I fairly sure he cares about the hard-core fan
I don't think Ed would have introduced such changes, either, as he has indeed stated in plain English that the Spellplague (et al) was not his idea. |
| Rinonalyrna Fathomlin |
Posted - 28 Apr 2008 : 00:06:37
Many of us already loved the Realms, and didn't need to "fall in love all over again." |
| MerrikCale |
Posted - 27 Apr 2008 : 04:49:16
quote:
Originally posted by lowtech
Unless WOTC/Hasbro reimburses me for the $1500 worth of fluff material that is now USELESS when I had the legitimate expectation based on twenty-five years of precedent that such material would still be relevant regardless of which edition I'm playing in, they will never get any more of my money. Really.
Sell it all on ebay |
| MerrikCale |
Posted - 27 Apr 2008 : 04:47:56
quote:
Originally posted by Brian R. James
Don't fight it. Ed will make you fall in love with the Realms all over again. Really.
I have every faith in Ed, its the rest of them thats the problem. I am quite confident in saying Ed would not have done this as I fairly sure he cares about the hard-core fan |
| Jorkens |
Posted - 24 Apr 2008 : 08:32:32
quote:
Originally posted by lowtech
A question for Skeptic: the whole appeal of Planescape consisted of playing with philosophical/spiritual concepts within the (admittedly artificial) bounds of an alignment-based outer-planes system. For instance, on lawful-nuetral (good) Arcadia you could explore or satirize socialist and objectivist utopias that could never work in real life, yet functioned in Planescape because "belief is power." How on earth can that co-exist with a fundamental dislike of the alignment system? Its virtually impossible to play without it!
It worked for me, I just ignored those parts you mention, that left 90% of the material. Then again, I did not care much for Planescape in the long run. I prefer the old Manual of the Planes. |
| lowtech |
Posted - 24 Apr 2008 : 04:22:28
quote:
Originally posted by Brian R. James
Don't fight it. Ed will make you fall in love with the Realms all over again. Really.
Unless WOTC/Hasbro reimburses me for the $1500 worth of fluff material that is now USELESS when I had the legitimate expectation based on twenty-five years of precedent that such material would still be relevant regardless of which edition I'm playing in, they will never get any more of my money. Really.
A question for Skeptic: the whole appeal of Planescape consisted of playing with philosophical/spiritual concepts within the (admittedly artificial) bounds of an alignment-based outer-planes system. For instance, on lawful-nuetral (good) Arcadia you could explore or satirize socialist and objectivist utopias that could never work in real life, yet functioned in Planescape because "belief is power." How on earth can that co-exist with a fundamental dislike of the alignment system? Its virtually impossible to play without it! |
| Kentinal |
Posted - 15 Dec 2007 : 04:25:36
quote:
Originally posted by Patrakis
So, now i'm very excited to hear that they will FINALLY going to write about the whole planet, other continents and other regions than those covered in Fearun...I've been waiting for this since 1995 i think...My interest is again peaked and i can't wait for the new FRCS to read about these places...It's probably going to be only 20 pages or less but finally i'll get something new.
Pat
From all indications they are going to write about a blank world. The Points of Lights the feature, the rest unmapped. |
| Patrakis |
Posted - 15 Dec 2007 : 03:53:03
I stumble upon Mr Perkins interview by chance for i had pretty much decided to leave WotC to their 4th ed and be on my merry way with all the FR books i accumulated over the last 20 years. I haven't seen anything really new since 2ed anyway so the 4th edition of the realms was nothing more than a rewrite of everything already printed. The only difference being that time has advanced in Cormyr, the dales and Waterdeep. You see, i don't follow FR like a soap opera and once they writen about a region, i build upon it and really don't need any revisited edition.
So, now i'm very excited to hear that they will FINALLY going to write about the whole planet, other continents and other regions than those covered in Fearun...I've been waiting for this since 1995 i think...My interest is again peaked and i can't wait for the new FRCS to read about these places...It's probably going to be only 20 pages or less but finally i'll get something new.
Pat |
| Mace Hammerhand |
Posted - 11 Dec 2007 : 16:26:56
You know, the one thing that makes me wonder is why they don't, until now, appear to have a firm sense of what 4e will look like. There are bits and snippets, but if I remember correctly they've been "working" on 4e since 2004-2005ish Yet the books aren't even in a true format yet and rules sound more like a bit of this and that plus a lot of new house-rules.
With the deadline and release-date coming up faster and faster, I wonder if the gamers will be more like beta-testers and 4.25 is already in the planning phase based on the coming reaction...
Maybe, hopefully, some people who are in the say in regard to FR will decide that such a major shift from what has gone before is useless and uncalled for. |
| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 11 Dec 2007 : 15:40:28
quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One
BAD girl! Need spanking!
[ahem]
love,
THO
There's a particular "Monty Python and the Holy Grail" line that comes to mind now...  |
| sparhawk42 |
Posted - 11 Dec 2007 : 14:49:25
quote:
Originally posted by The Hooded One
Reading between the lines as attentively as I can peer, I believe that the lack of more concrete information stems from these reasons:
1. The mystery builds anticipation, speculation, and therefore "buzz" (free publicity), which is a desired end in itself even if not all of the speculation is positive (example of this mystery: the time jump).
2. Some material is changing as the 4e rules firm up and as design work unfolds (e.g. the god shifts), so we CAN'T be told yet.
3. A lot of material just hasn't been written yet (so again, we can't be told yet).
We're just going to have to hang in there. Ed says a very talented team is hard at work, with some names we know and love (but as yet unrevealed as being involved with 4e FR) jumping on board as the process moves along. He hates the short time available for his current project, but is VERY pumped by some of the design he's seen by others, thus far. So if any of this hinting makes anyone feel better, here you are.
(Yes, the waiting is driving me nuts, too. Think I'll go and tease Ed - - but no! Every time I do, I delay him a little in getting the new stuff finished. Mustn't! BAD girl! Need spanking!
[ahem]
love,
THO
Thanks THO, it certainly makes me feel a little bit better (especially the last couple sentences. )
Also I wonder who those unrevealed names are.  |
| The Sage |
Posted - 11 Dec 2007 : 06:19:59
The door to my chambers is always open, my Lady. 
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| The Hooded One |
Posted - 11 Dec 2007 : 06:17:14
Reading between the lines as attentively as I can peer, I believe that the lack of more concrete information stems from these reasons:
1. The mystery builds anticipation, speculation, and therefore "buzz" (free publicity), which is a desired end in itself even if not all of the speculation is positive (example of this mystery: the time jump).
2. Some material is changing as the 4e rules firm up and as design work unfolds (e.g. the god shifts), so we CAN'T be told yet.
3. A lot of material just hasn't been written yet (so again, we can't be told yet).
We're just going to have to hang in there. Ed says a very talented team is hard at work, with some names we know and love (but as yet unrevealed as being involved with 4e FR) jumping on board as the process moves along. He hates the short time available for his current project, but is VERY pumped by some of the design he's seen by others, thus far. So if any of this hinting makes anyone feel better, here you are.
(Yes, the waiting is driving me nuts, too. Think I'll go and tease Ed - - but no! Every time I do, I delay him a little in getting the new stuff finished. Mustn't! BAD girl! Need spanking!
[ahem]
love,
THO |
| sparhawk42 |
Posted - 11 Dec 2007 : 03:57:16
quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
I can't say I'm looking forward to what 4E is going to do to our setting. But I'm not going to dread it or rip into anyone until there exists reason to do so.
I concur and am trying to hold back any judgments or too strong of feelings but this waiting is dreadful!  |
| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 10 Dec 2007 : 20:29:16
quote:
Originally posted by sparhawk42
One of the must frustrating things about this whole thing to me is the lack of information available to us. There are many folk out there who love the realms and if someone comes along and tells you they are going to change something you love or truly enjoy it can be hard to just sit back and wait for the info to trickle in (especially when much of the info that does come through seems to make little sense).
I do wish we had a better idea of when we will be getting more info on certain things such as how much of a time jump, how exactly the Spellplague will be implemented, and such things. I could have sworn in the Ask the Realms Author thread over at the WotC boards that Rich said we would find out more specific info relating to the new year of the setting in November or December. But according to this interview they won't be releasing that info until sometime in 2008  as per their schedule (boy would I like to get a peek at that thing ).
That's been my stance. I want some real info -- not these dribs and drabs, or rumors, but real, honest-to-Bob info, something I can take to the bank. Until we have that, there simply isn't enough information to make a truly informed decision. Granted, some of the things we've heard are quite distasteful, but it's still only tidbits. And there is nothing to say that they won't manage to pull off making it something we will thoroughly enjoy, despite the negative stances some have already adopted.
But for the love of Lurue, they could be a bit more forthcoming with info! I find it particularly frustrating that some questions -- most notable the time-jump -- remain unanswered.
I can't say I'm looking forward to what 4E is going to do to our setting. But I'm not going to dread it or rip into anyone until there exists reason to do so.
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| Kentinal |
Posted - 10 Dec 2007 : 19:52:55
It does appear their schedule is subject to change with out much if any notice.
However WotC and even TSR to some degree liked to keep secrerts as long as posible. |
| sparhawk42 |
Posted - 10 Dec 2007 : 19:44:53
One of the must frustrating things about this whole thing to me is the lack of information available to us. There are many folk out there who love the realms and if someone comes along and tells you they are going to change something you love or truly enjoy it can be hard to just sit back and wait for the info to trickle in (especially when much of the info that does come through seems to make little sense).
I do wish we had a better idea of when we will be getting more info on certain things such as how much of a time jump, how exactly the Spellplague will be implemented, and such things. I could have sworn in the Ask the Realms Author thread over at the WotC boards that Rich said we would find out more specific info relating to the new year of the setting in November or December. But according to this interview they won't be releasing that info until sometime in 2008 as per their schedule (boy would I like to get a peek at that thing ). |
| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 10 Dec 2007 : 18:38:53
Enough. Get to the topic, or this thread will be closed.  |
| Kentinal |
Posted - 10 Dec 2007 : 18:24:35
*shrugs*
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=grognard
There appear to be many deffinitions. |
| Hawkins |
Posted - 10 Dec 2007 : 18:16:59
quote:
Originally posted by Skeptic
quote:
Originally posted by Jorkens
As for how these changes will affect the fanbase, no one will now that until quite some time after publishing, so anything else will for now be speculations.
The term is usually used (on D&D related forums) to label people who seems to hate changes no matter if they are "good" or not. e.g. people still playing 0D&D because that's the only true D&D.
That being said, I know perfectly that the situation here is not so simple.
The proper application of the word "grognard" means that you are one of the "old guard." I hate that people keep using it as an insult. I am honored to be one of the "old guard" of the Realms. And I think that the "old guard" of the Realms is larger than WotC or the people who use it as an insult believe, and therefore ticking them off with the changes in the "new" Realms is not a wise decision. I also want to buy into the "new" Realms. And so, I will look at it when it is finally published and continue to post my opinions (and vainly hope that the design team at least considers what I and others are saying) until it is. |
| Aravine |
Posted - 10 Dec 2007 : 17:33:33
I've clearly been out of the loop too long. *sighs* |
| Skeptic |
Posted - 10 Dec 2007 : 17:26:50
quote:
Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
I totally second this! "Grognard" is being thrown around on the WotC boards all over the place (mainly as an insult, of course), and I'd rather these boards not acquire such a nasty atmosphere.
That's fine, but don't forget all the insults flying around around the 4E designers |
| Rinonalyrna Fathomlin |
Posted - 10 Dec 2007 : 17:14:26
quote:
Originally posted by Purple Dragon Knight
Sage and other concerned mods,
Might I also suggest we stay respectful to everyone here, in the good tradition of Candlekeep, and try to kill the use of this defammatory 'grognard' term while it is in its infancy?
I totally second this! "Grognard" is being thrown around on the WotC boards all over the place (mainly as an insult, of course), and I'd rather these boards not acquire such a nasty atmosphere.
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| The Sage |
Posted - 10 Dec 2007 : 04:48:05
quote:
Originally posted by Purple Dragon Knight
Sage and other concerned mods,
Might I also suggest we stay respectful to everyone here, in the good tradition of Candlekeep, and try to kill the use of this defammatory 'grognard' term while it is in its infancy?
If we learned anything from the 2nd World War and the way Hitler painted the Jewish people as a charicature, it's that defammation and labeling can never lead to anything good. I do not want to sound alarmist and too over-the-top, but the way certain posters here are making tactical insertions of the 'grognard' term to group certain posters with similar ideas into one neat little insignificant, puny and irrelevant category does not sit well with me at all.
Thank you, Sage and other mods, for your time, consideration and understanding.
I'll take this up with Alaundo and the other Mods.
For now, though... let us return to the topic of this particular scroll. Let's have no more off-topicness please. 
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| Skeptic |
Posted - 10 Dec 2007 : 03:54:27
quote:
Originally posted by Purple Dragon Knight
Sage and other concerned mods,
Might I also suggest we stay respectful to everyone here, in the good tradition of Candlekeep, and try to kill the use of this defammatory 'grognard' term while it is in its infancy?
If we learned anything from the 2nd World War and the way Hitler painted the Jewish people as a charicature, it's that defammation and labeling can never lead to anything good. I do not want to sound alarmist and too over-the-top, but the way certain posters here are making tactical insertions of the 'grognard' term to group certain posters with similar ideas into one neat little insignificant, puny and irrelevant category does not sit well with me at all.
Thank you, Sage and other mods, for your time, consideration and understanding.
 
How they call this law about the probability to bring the "nazy" thing into a forum's thread ? |
| Purple Dragon Knight |
Posted - 10 Dec 2007 : 03:38:27
Sage and other concerned mods,
Might I also suggest we stay respectful to everyone here, in the good tradition of Candlekeep, and try to kill the use of this defammatory 'grognard' term while it is in its infancy?
If we learned anything from the 2nd World War and the way Hitler painted the Jewish people as a charicature, it's that defammation and labeling can never lead to anything good. I do not want to sound alarmist and too over-the-top, but the way certain posters here are making tactical insertions of the 'grognard' term to group certain posters with similar ideas into one neat little insignificant, puny and irrelevant category does not sit well with me at all.
Thank you, Sage and other mods, for your time, consideration and understanding. |
| The Sage |
Posted - 10 Dec 2007 : 02:02:09
Indeed, we won't. Uzzy, Skeptic... if you want to discuss this issue, then take it to PMs.
Consider this your first and only warning. |
